6. The Bangles


Late August 1989: Susanna Hoffs sits in a hotel room in Kansas City, doing a phone interview. Her band, which got a #1 hit earlier in the year, is cracking apart.

She’s asked about The Bangles; more precisely, as she often is, she’s asked What The Bangles Are. “We’re lumped into some kind of weird category,” she tells the reporter, Steve Appleford. “People can’t really view us in the same breath as Guns ‘n’ Roses or U2 or even female artists like Suzanne Vega and Tracy Chapman. We’re like in the strange all-girl-band category. And it’s sort of annoying, to be honest.”

She’s said variations on this for nearly ten years. No, we do play our instruments. No, we do write our songs, and those we cover are by songwriters we like. No, our label didn’t force “Eternal Flame” down our throats—I wrote “Eternal Flame.” “People kind of lump us and then push us to the side: ‘Oh yeah, they’re an all-girl band, isn’t that cute.’ …We have a tremendous number of Bangles fans out there who really appreciate what we do. I don’t want to belittle that in any way.”

“It’s just an overall feeling I get sometimes.”

The second of September 1989, at the Redwood Amphitheatre in Santa Clara, California. The Bangles are playing their last show.

They’re a bit worn down. Even the vocals, always their core strength, are frayed. Midway through the set, they do a regular bit: The Herstory of The Bangles. “Snap your fingers! clap your hands! stomp your feet!” Vicki Peterson exhorts the audience, which, as the papers often report, is greatly composed of teenage girls. Peterson’s guitar is the sole accompaniment, apart from snaps and claps and stomps.

Hoffs begins:

On a cold January night way back in 1981, in California [cheers!], this great state, in the garage of my parents’ house in Los Angeles, we met for the very first time there, in this garage…So we’re sitting around trying to get to know each other…we decided to sing some old songs from the Sixties we like. And much to our surprise, as soon as we started to sing, it came out in four-part harmony. This never happened before! This is a very good sign. We decided to become The Bangles and keep singing four-part harmonies. It sounded a little something like this.

They sing a chorus of “I Fought the Law,” segue into “If She Knew What She Wants.”

Jules Shear wrote this one, in the voice of a man trying to puzzle out his girlfriend (“if she knew what she wants, I’d be giving it to her”). The Bangles shift the perspective. They become the mutual friends of the couple, those with the clearest eyes. She wants too much from him, he knows it, he lacks the strength and imagination to pull it off. They will both suffer. Hoffs narrates, other Bangles color in details. She stresses a word early in each line, they land their weight on the last three notes.

But she wants everything (he can pretend to give her everything)
Or there’s nothing she wants (she don’t want to sort it out)
He’s crazy for this girl (but she don’t know what she’s looking for)
If she knew what she wants he’d be giving it to her….

The Kids of Boss Radio

You asked whether the Bangles are representative of their generation. We are—in the sense that there’s no mass transit in Los Angeles, so we became aware of music listening to AM radio in the back of the station wagon. We won’t have made it till we’re on AM radio.

Susanna Hoffs, 1985

Each Bangle was once a kid in the back seat of a car, en route to school, singing along to the radio. To KLRA, home of Casey Kasem and Bob Eubanks. To KHJ, 930 AM, “Boss Radio”: the Top 40 booming from Simi Valley to Yorba Linda.

These are the children of the south Californian Sixties. The Peterson sisters, from Northridge; Sue Hoffs and David Roback, from Brentwood; Susan Thomas (the one-day Michael Steele) of Pasadena; Annette Zilinskas, from Van Nuys; Michael Quercio, of Carson; Steve Wynn, from LA via Santa Monica.

To narrow in, these are the younger brothers and sisters of the south Californian Sixties, who grow up on wars, riots, and murders on the nightly news, and pop music on AM radio. They are the wards of the massive-watt stations, the great oxygenators, transmitting the hits and jingles: I saw her agaaaain last night…kicks just keep gettin’ harder to find…Ell-eh-nor gee I think you’re SWELL….this is the worst trip I’ve ever been on…Save a nickel, save a dime, save at Thrifty every time…Geor-gia, headed for the Frisco bay.…Ban won’t wear off as the day wears on!…searchin’ in the sun for another ohhh-ver-looaaad...Lash Bright lashes, look through the world through lovelier eyes…parking tickets were just like flags stuck on my wind-screen…bus stop wet day she’s there I say…that little gold ring you wear on your hand makes me un-der-staaaand…suddenly! you’re an imp wearing angels’ wings in Heaven Scent!…sidewalk crouches at her feet…life would be ecstasy you and me end less lee..

The Bangles, from the start, wanted to be on pop radio, to be the harmonies and riffs that a kid heard in the back seat of a station wagon while going to school. With “Walk Like an Egyptian,” “Manic Monday,” “Eternal Flame,” “If She Knew What She Wants,” “In Your Room,” “Hazy Shade of Winter,” they closed the circle.

For this they were, sometimes still are, written off as an Eighties sell-out—Throwing Muses’ Kristin Hersh [see Quartet No. 2] would use “Bangles” as a term of disparagement. The turncoats of the Paisley Underground. The Bangles are an act whom everyone knows, an act reunited for decades now. But sometimes it’s as though they’ve disappeared in plain sight.

Two Sisters

Ca. 1979 article from unknown, presumably local LA paper, via Macari

Vicki Peterson was born in 1958, her sister Debbi in 1961. They are the daughters of a classic postwar California pair. Their father was an engineer at TRW, an aerospace corporation, essentially Thomas Pynchon’s “Yoyodyne” in The Crying of Lot 49. Their mother, a former model, worked for Congressman Glenn Anderson.

In high school (Rolling Hills High, in Palos Verdes), Vicki was a cheerleader, as she confessed to LA Weekly a decade later. “Way out there beyond the valley of the super uncool, I know. But in high school the biggest audience is found at the football games, and an uncured ham I am.”

Being an uncured ham was at the heart of Vicki Peterson, performing musician. In The Bangles, she’d play the role of Paul Stanley in KISS—the band’s hype woman, the one who’s having a blast, who makes the jokes, who’s in on the joke. She sees you in the crowd, she tells you that by coming to the show, by being here tonight, by making noise! and screaming and singing along, you’re as much a part of it as the band is.

A great rock ‘n’ roll guitarist, Vicki was a soloist dedicated to the eight- or twelve-bar break (listen to the one on “All About You,” worthy of Beatles For Sale) and a craftswoman of opening hooks. See, among many, the divebombing riff on “Want You,” the swaggering one on “Restless.” The Bangles was her band. In the early years, she was “the controlling factor,” as her sister called her. She did the bookings, the songwriting, the press, the guitar heroics.

She got her first “serious” guitar when she was nine: an Electro ES-17, with an eight-watt Rickenbacker amp. She moved on to a Univox Ripper, but when someone stole that (“a gift in disguise”), she got a 1972 Gibson Les Paul Custom. “I soon found I was very lazy about practicing scales and that writing my own songs was much more fun,” she recalled in 2013.

Hills, Peterson, potato chips, ca. 1979 (via Vicki Peterson’s FB)

Graduating in 1976, she formed her first band, an evolution of her high school group Crista Galli (“a small bone at the back of the head”), a folkie duo with her best friend, Amanda Hills. Simon & Garfunkel harmonies and Joni Mitchell acoustic guitar: a holding pattern for the mid-Seventies. “I was writing in the style of Joni…but my true love was the Hollies and the Beatles,” Vicki said in 1987.

Crista Galli became, for a happily brief time, Aisha (“life and positive vibes,” as per Vicki). They were The Muze by late 1978. And a trio: they now had a drummer.

Debbi and Vicki Peterson, ca. 1978

I was a little worried at first, knowing that they wanted to be rock stars. I was concerned that there weren’t too many young women who were doing that.

Jeanne Peterson, Vicki and Debbi’s mother, to Susan Orlean, 1987

Debbi Peterson was always going to be in the thick of it. In the family Buick, when the Peterson kids were singing along to the radio, “Debbi, even at a very young age, was especially good at skipping to whatever harmony was lacking in our songs,” Vicki later said. “Debbi…is a natural. If we had needed a French horn player, she probably would’ve nailed that too.”

“I wanted to be a musician, I [just] didn’t know what I wanted to do,” as Debbi described her childhood to Pat Francis in 2013. It was Hills who suggested that Vicki’s kid sister play drums. After all, that was a lot easier than auditioning strangers. “I’d never played drums before, but there was opportunity,” Debbi recalled.” I sat down and started playing. I guess all the air drumming and air guitar playing worked out for me.”

Debbi would be the genial reality principle of the Bangles, their wryest, sweetest voice—see “Live” and “Going Down to Liverpool.” A backbeat drummer, she rarely draws attention to herself on the kit. She got compared to Ringo Starr often, and like Ringo, she’ll still surprise you when you really listen to her—the odd fill like a looping signature, a run on the toms to quicken a song.

“The Bangles’ sound does require a simple, basic beat most of the time,” she told Modern Drummer in 1986. “There’s so much going on in our songs that it would be foolish to force all these heavy fills and complex riffs into the music. I’m sure you can hear all the guitars ringing all over the place. And don’t forget, there are four voices in the band. I couldn’t play drums like Keith Moon, for example, and expect the girls to think that’s what’s needed.”

Asked to describe her style, she said she couldn’t “because I can’t separate myself from it.” Drumming was an extension of her personality. She favored playing live, where she fed off a crowd’s energy, over studio work, where her producer would push to use electronic drums and angled to have someone else re-cut her tracks.

The Fans (l to r: Vicki, Hills, Debbi), ca. October 1979 (via Bang Go the Bangles)

The Muze (oft referred to in local listings as “an all-woman trio”) added on lead guitar Lynn Elkind, who worked at a binding plant in Culver City. They became The Fans by March 1979 or so, earning enough of a local rep that another striving band wrote a song in homage—The Panics’ “I’m a Fan”, 1980 (“over in the corner some newlyweds [sung with contempt] were sayin’ you weren’t bad for a girl”).

They’d play a club two or three times a week, rehearse on other nights: working Club 88 and the Blue Lagoon Saloon in Santa Monica, out at the Driftwood at Redondo Beach, regulars at The Londoner and the Hong Kong Cafe (as wonderfully, thoroughly chronicled by Rachel Macari here). They got noticed. They were young, fun, exuberant, sharp, interspersing “oldies” covers (“My Boyfriend’s Back”) with power-pop originals.

Ca. 1980, “Those Girls” era

By summer 1980, by now known as Those Girls and having fired Elkind, they were ascending the LA band hierarchy, often seen at the Troubadour, sharing the stage with the Angry Samoans. Then, a crisis. Vicki, who’d been going to UCLA, quit school to devote herself to the band just as Hills quit the band to devote herself to school (she became an Ancient Near East historian and is a professor at Cal State Polytechnic University).

Vicki Peterson’s band, after four years, was winnowed to her and her younger sister. Though only twenty-two, she feared time was running out. “There were all these bands like the Go-Go’s and the Knack that were focusing attention on LA,” she recalled in 1987. “And I was afraid it would all leave me behind.”

The Petersons placed a listing in The Recycler, an LA weekly, of which Dream Syndicate’s Steve Wynn said “you’d look through there if you want to form a band. They’re the worst listings—if you wanted a guitarist, all you’d find would be ‘into Rush, into Led Zeppelin.’ I’d have to go for that, because the pickings are so small, you’d go for anything you could get.”

Hoffs’ 1980 flyer, via her Twitter

Another Recycler ad was the lucky strike. Elkind placed it, looking to start a new band. A recent Berkeley graduate responded. Vicki answered the phone (the Petersons and Elkind were still roommates). It was the day after John Lennon’s murder and the two women, still in shock, were grateful to find someone to grieve with. After a few more calls, they agreed they should play music together, see what happened.

In January 1981 the Peterson sisters and Susanna Hoffs first met, in the garage of the latter’s parents’ house in Brentwood. Hoffs had converted it into her apartment, pasting the walls with photos of Audrey Hepburn and Mod legends. She’d also been putting up flyers in LA clubs, wanting to start a Boss All-Girl Group. Influences: (legacy) Byrds, Ventures, Beau Brummels; (contemporary) The Go-Go’s, The Last. Only requirement: must be nice.

The Brentwood Bohemians

Hoffs in NO Mag, 1983 (Bruce Kalberg)

The Hoffses—Tamar, a filmmaker, and Joshua, a psychoanalyst—moved to LA “to get away from their parents, the thing to do in 1959,” as their only daughter Susanna recalled to Creem decades later. She described the Hoffses of Brentwood as “an uprooted liberal East Coast family, sorta beatnik, into [Jackson] Pollock and jazz….this atheist and intellectual creative world…Freud was our religion.”

It was the sort of childhood where you hung out with Leonard Nimoy’s kids and watched their dad on TV (another Hoffs friend was Laura Salenger, daughter of a CBS executive, and the future Brix Smith Start), where you got the Beatles records before they hit the stores, as the Hoffses had a friend at Capitol. “I remember staring at the [Beatles’] album covers and having daydreams about Paul McCartney,” Susanna recalled in 1984. “My brothers and I used to stand in front of the mirror and pretend we were the Beatles.” She grew exacting in her Beatles tastes—her brothers could have everything post-Revolver, she said. Her core albums were Rubber Soul and Yesterday and Today.

The first things she learned on guitar were folk songs—“John Reilly” and “Tom Dooley”—and by eight she was writing “vintagey” songs of her own. She loved Joni Mitchell, Linda Ronstadt, Bonnie Raitt. But when home for winter break from Berkeley, she found that her brother (then at Yale) was a convert to the New York sound: “He walks in and he had the Ramones and Blondie.” An epiphany. She liked playing music but had considered it the province of “musicians who were kind of like rock gods or these kind of golden singer-songwriter brilliant people,” she said in 2012. “Then all of a sudden it was like kids are doing it…it seems like something you could do.”

Hoffs spent the late Seventies in the clubs of San Francisco, seeing Talking Heads at the Boarding House, the last Sex Pistols show at Winterland. Having started at Berkeley as a theater major, she switched to dance and wound up an art major, doing “mostly acrylics..abstract color fields,” and spending much of her time with her childhood friend David Roback, who was now her boyfriend and collaborator.

David Roback, senior photo, Palisades High, 1975

Roback and Hoffs made chamber rock music: hushed, “excruciatingly slow versions of things,” especially Velvet Underground songs (though one uptempo piece eventually became “Call On Me.”) Hoffs soon played the Petersons tapes of her Berkeley recordings, the early drafts of what Roback would do in Opal and Mazzy Star. His and Hoffs’ 1983 version of “I’ll Keep It With Mine” is the closest we have to what they sounded like.

“It was like I married a stranger,” Hoffs once said of The Bangles. She and the Petersons had started from different points on the map. The latter had worked LA clubs for years, vying to win over the indifferent couple at the bar, out-playing the next band on the bill. Hoffs considered making music a private act. “Rock and roll is sitting alone in your room,” she said. “Listening to your stereo or playing guitar or whatever. It’s a totally personal thing.”

She and Roback at Berkeley were in their own world, “this little bohemian art scene with my friend.” She’d long be the Bangle least comfortable on stage, and her legendary eye darts started as a coping mechanism for stage fright. “I would pick three people in the audience—one person on my left, one person on my right, and one person in the middle—and I’d kind of sing to them all night,” she said in 2009.

Hoffs in Stony Island (Davis, 1978)

In the fall of 1980, she was back home in Brentwood. As her mother was a filmmaker, as she’d already had a small role in a movie while in college, a career in film might have worked out. She was an art major, could’ve pursued that line. She had every option that a bright, attractive, upper-class college graduate would have had. But she wanted to be in a rock ‘n’ roll band. As she and Roback had broken up, though remaining friends, “our band was not functional without that component. So I was on a path to find bandmates.”

She’d also become a Sixties pop obsessive. “I rediscovered all the music that I had heard in the car on Top 40 radio…studying the soundtrack of my childhood.” Her favorite local band was The Last, whom she felt did the proper work of achieving a faithful “modern” Sixties sound. It was her great fortune that the sisters she discovered via The Recycler were as fervent devotees. “When I met Vicki and Debbi it was like our own little Beatles convention at my garage.”

Meet The Bangs

She suspected the disk jockey spot…was a way of letting the Top 200, and even the news copy that came jabbering out of the machine—all the fraudulent dream of teenage appetites—be a buffer between him and that lot.

Pynchon, The Crying of Lot 49.

At first, they were The Colours (English spelling, naturally). Their first documented gig was on 13 June 1981 at The Basement, a club in, naturally, the basement of the Echo Park Methodist Church on N. Alvarado Street, near Sunset. For bassists, they got the occasional assist from Amanda Hills. More often, they used a nineteen-year-old musician from Van Nuys, Annette Zilinskas. She was in a country & western duo at the time.

When Hoffs and the Petersons first rehearsed in Hoffs’ garage, they fell into harmony almost instinctively, singing “White Rabbit” and “I Fought the Law” and Mamas and Papas hits (the Grass Roots’ “Where Were You When I Needed You” was often in their sets). Their harmonies were their cornerstone—all that their producer David Kahne would come to want from them. “They weren’t world beaters as musicians, but damn they could sing,” Rain Parade’s Matt Piucci said. No one in LA sounded like them, this heaven-tripled voice (even The Go-Go’s, inevitable source of comparison, were a parliament in which Belinda Carlisle was prime minister).

There’s been little written about how The Bangles sang. One of few descriptions I’ve found is from Vicki to the Tampa Tribune, in 1984: “We work our voices around each other, and if someone’s singing lead, it doesn’t mean it’s the only thing you’re focusing on, because there’s another melody line weaving in and out of it that’s just as interesting.” (“Your ear will focus on that other voice you heard sing lead on the track before,” Hoffs added.)

It’s actually one of the easiest things for us, singing in harmony. [We learned] how to sing in clubs where you can’t hear yourself.

Hoffs, 2000

To generalize, Hoffs was often the highest-pitched voice, with the Petersons as a shifting set of lower interval harmonies; when Michael Steele joined, she’d often provide the bottom end. Yet it’s difficult to pluck out a single voice from their harmonies, as they blended together so well, making a Bangles plural.

The first recordings we have of them are demos that a friend taped in the summer of 1981 on TDK cassettes. On “Outside Chance,” a 1966 Turtles B-side written by Warren Zevon, Vicki sings lead, Debbi’s a punisher on her kit. While the group follows the Turtles blueprint—the singer affirms that you don’t stand an outside chaaance [higher harmonies] you don’t staaand an outside chaaance [higher lead with higher harmonies] you don’t stand an OUTSIDE CHANCE [solo close] but YOU CAN TRY!—the three torch though the choruses, making The Turtles sound like formalists.

Another cover, of Paul Revere and the Raiders’ “Steppin’ Out.” Vicki seizes the macho perspective of the Revere track: now she’s the one who’s dodging the draft, who gives her loser boyfriend back his ring, who tells the choir to stay home. As on the original, the refrain has harmonizers backing the lead singer’s play. But where the Raiders keep to a close huddle, the Petersons and Hoffs sing wild, jabbing harmonies, especially towards the fade, where they’re bristling to thrash up the guy: STEPSTEPSTEPSTEPSTEPSTEP STEPPIN’ OUUUUUUUUTONMEEEEE STEPPIN’ OUUUTTONMEEEE.

The Second Sixties

The Supersonic Bang in Esquire, “Hair!,” July 1965

Even though it was the beginning of a new decade, the ’80s… I think we very consciously wanted to drag the ’60s into the ’80s. We were pretty brazen about it.

Hoffs, 2018

A lot of people would say the real groups [of the Paisley Underground] are The Dream Syndicate, The Bangs and The Salvation Army. They wouldn’t go beyond those three.

Steve Wynn, Dream Syndicate

For what it’s worth, the only Paisley Underground was The Dream Syndicate, Three O’Clock, The Rain Parade and The Bangs, with the Long Ryders and Green on Red following behind them. All those bands drank beer together and lent each other amps.

Sid Griffin, Long Ryders

A month after the Petersons and Hoffs first played together, Michael Quercio’s band The Salvation Army formed in his garage in Carson. They demoed two songs, “Happened Happened (Doris Day)” (“Mother’s Little Helper” sequel) and “Mind Gardens” (Byrds nod), sent them to Rodney Bingenheimer at KROQ, cut them in July 1981 as a single on The Minutemen’s label, New Alliance. Quercio sounded like Pete Shelley with a head cold. The songs were tight and nervy: “Doris Day…is melting ah-waaaay now!” Over three days in March 1982, The Salvation Army cut an album, issued less than two months later on Lisa Fancher‘s Frontier Records.

The year before, Steve Wynn put out a single, “That’s What You Always Say,” under the name 15 Minutes (Andy Warhol reference). While going to UCLA, Wynn worked at the Rhino record store on Westwood Blvd., where he first met Hoffs and Vicki Peterson. All of them, they discovered, loved The Salvation Army.

LA Weekly, 17 June 1982

By summer 1982, these friendships were an LA scene: Wynn’s Dream Syndicate, which he’d formed with Karl Precoda, Dennis Duck, and Kendra Smith; the Hoffs-Petersons band, now called The Bangs after a hairdo in a 1965 Esquire piece (“The Supersonic Bang”); Quercio’s band, rechristened Three O’Clock after the real Salvation Army got wind of them (new name via F. Scott Fitzgerald’s “Pasting It Together”: “In a real dark night of the soul it is always 3 o’clock in the morning”); David Roback’s Rain Parade, whose debut single “What She’s Done to Your Mind” was about Roback seeing Hoffs on stage at a Bangs gig (her eyes are on the single sleeve).

Wynn was a common denominator for other allied groups: True West, founded by guitarists who’d played with him and Smith; The Long Ryders, helmed by Sid Griffin, who’d played with Wynn; Green on Red, whose first EP came out on Wynn’s label, Down There.

They hung out at gigs, parties, at Green on Red’s barbecues at their apartment in Hollywood. In June 1982, many of them went to Catalina Island, where they camped out, got high, played songs. They shared studios (Ethan James’ Radio Tokyo), strings, and amps; they talked to NO Mag (The Bangs did a jingle), Flipside, the LA Weekly; they got played on Bingenheimer’s show and George Gimarc’s “Rock and Roll Alternative” (The Bangs did a jingle). Vicki once described it as a group of bands who were all in love with each other. “There was nothing else like this going on,” Quercio recalled. “The new wave scene was over, and even the hardcore scene was on the wane because there was so much violence that the clubs wouldn’t let a lot of these bands play.”

Quercio called it the Paisley Underground in a late 1982 interview: a brilliant impromptu label.

LA Times, 18 December 1983

What united these bands, apart from being friends, was that they were translators of the dead Sixties into the fledgling Eighties. One reason Cindy Wilson and Kate Pierson dressed as they did was because they found heaps of Sixties wigs and outfits in the dumpsters and landfills of Athens, Georgia—the detritus from a spent period. “At that time, it was sort of anachronistic,” Vicki recalled in 2012. “People our age liked Pat Benatar and Tom Petty, who I also liked, [but] for someone like Susanna to come along who knew who the Grass Roots were, to know who Arthur Lee and Love was, was a really big deal to me.” Sure, “The Sixties” had never really gone away—Blondie recorded with Ellie Greenwich, Talking Heads had sung “1-2-3 Red Light.” But the excavations were now the dig-work of the radio kids, who seized what they vaguely remembered, who treated it with more love than irony.

Bangs at the Lhasa Club, Hollywood, 7 October 1982 (photog uncredited)

So: The Bangs’ debut 45, self-distributed around Christmas 1981. “Getting Out of Hand,” which clouds over in its refrain: “Beware! It’s getting out of haaand, out of haaand,” Hoffs sings; the Petersons agree; the conclusion is a blank “yeah” from Hoffs. Vicki’s guitar solo is a variation on George Harrison on Help!Call on Me” is an answer song to “I’m Looking Through You,” Jane Asher at last talking back to Paul McCartney. “You wish you were dead/ take a breath instead.”

“All the groups were vaguely Sixties-influenced guitar pop, bands who’d moved on from punk,” Griffin recalled to Barney Hoskyns. The Paisley Underground, mostly middle-class white kids whose audiences didn’t punch each other out during sets, were an easy sell to LA club owners. (“Why should they be so hateful?” Quercio said of skinheads to the LA Times in 1983. “They live in a middle-class society. They have food. They’re just angry because it’s cool to be angry.”) The Bangs wore Shindig! outfits, Dream Syndicate had guitar battles to rival Lou Reed and Sterling Morrison. The groups made for solid bills. Dream Syndicate-Bangs-Three O’Clock-Rain Parade were a must-see at the Music Machine at the end of 1982.

The first harvest of Paisley records in 1982 was a rich one: Dream Syndicate’s Down There EP and Days of Wine and Roses (plus an essential KPFK broadcast); True West’s “Lucifer Sam” 45; Salvation Army’s self-titled LP and Three O’Clock’s Baroque Hoedown; the first Green on Red EP. The first Bangs EP was meant to be part of it.

Bangs at Cathay de Grande, ca. 1982 (photog credit again unknown)

But its release was delayed after a band in New Jersey claimed dibs on their name. Thus The Bangs—a great modernist sex name—had to get a suffix.

The Bangles. It still worked. The Bangles suggested something knocked off, discounted, whose value you might have missed at first glance. Plus it was an Electric Prunes song.

The old Sixties sounds were safe. They were the old tricks that had come around for me, and I used them, every one in the book.

Hoffs, 1991

The group should really concentrate on its original tunes. The band also needs to bear in mind the fine line between innocent fun and cutesy vapidity…these girls are clearly in love with the music they play.

Los Angeles Times review of an early Bangs show, 8 May 1982

The Bangles (originally, of course, The Bangs) was recorded in summer 1982, during an early ferment period when the band was playing LA clubs weekly. A five-song opening statement, with requisite obscure Sixties cover as finale (The Changin’ Times’ “How Is the Air Up There”).

I’m In Line” (“about a guy Debbi liked who was seeing someone else,” as per her sister), among the first songs The Bangles wrote together, establishes Debbi Peterson’s Bangles persona—someone in a sea of troubles but whose perspective is a cheery acceptance of disaster. One of several early Bangles songs carved out of “Taxman,” it starts with a demand–I don’t want to wait in liiiiiine for you!—that falls flat, as by the refrain, Debbi’s “in line for you my daaa-rling.” Highlights: Vicki’s margin commentary in the second verse and righteous eight-bar solo, answered halfway through by a tom-heavy drum retort; the canyon-echo harmonies on “RISE!” in the second verse, and the trumpet-like flourish on “tii-ay-ay-iime” in the third; Hoffs’ ska rhythm versus Vicki’s needling lead in the outro.

The Bangs in Flipside No. 34, 1982, with a layout predicting Ray Gun

Vicki’s spotlight number (“a song I wrote in seven minutes and it sounds like it”), ”Want You” is bonkers-horny: she’s not waiting in line for this guy. Highlights: the ascending ah-Ah-AHHHs on “you don’t like my looks”; Vicki’s two solos (contained, exuberant); how she sings “with you!” as if she’s robbing a bank; the oooo-AHH–ooh-AAAAH breaks over thundering drums (The Bangles had an alternate life as a surf band—see “Bitchen Summer,” tucked away on a long-forgotten compilation); the soured Beatles closing chord.

Hoffs’ “The Real World” dates to the 1981 demos. “I was focused on getting everything right, every chord change I made was perfect,” she recalled of the first Bangs shows. After gigs opening for The Blasters and The Descendents (Hoffs was once whacked so hard with a milk carton that her forehead bled), she realized “I can do whatever I want on stage…they don’t know who I am, they don’t know I’m this girl who graduated from college and came home and learned all her chords and wants to play everything perfectly.”

When I was a little girl, she sings, I wanted everything ideal. But love, at least the kind she’s dealing with here, isn’t that—it’s a messy new reality, conveyed in “the sweet use of the minor five chord,” as Matt Piucci said. “It has the ache-the ephemeral quality you hear in the best of old country and Big Star’s Third.” Debbi’s drum pattern, homage to Ringo on “Ticket to Ride,” adds more topsy-turvy, as do the piano dubs. Vicki’s solo is an affirmation. This is the real world, Hoffs closes it out—I really want to be a girl. Not “your girl,” mind. A Girl, capital G.

On “Mary Street,” the full Bangles. Written by Hoffs and Vicki as their update of The Seekers’ “Georgy Girl,” it’s a dig at a poseur who’s read the right magazines, has the right look, and is a solid fake. Its essential line, punctuated by crash cymbals: “Ohhh girl, you better review.” Contempt, but also generosity—The Bangles, in their implacable harmonies, offer a chance to improve. Vicki has a cycling guitar hook and dazzler solo (ah-Ah!-AH!-AHHHH! harmonies in response): Hoffs raises the stakes on the bridge as Debbi moves to her toms. See also the hall-of-mirrors harmonies on “what are you waiting for?” and the closing, inconclusive oh yeaah!s.

LA Weekly, 10 February 1983

Smart hippies knew how dumb a lot of that music was even then. It’s twice as dumb now.

Robert Christgau, 1984, giving the debut Rain Parade LP a C-plus in the Village Voice

The Bangles soon wrote off their EP. “Pretty primitive,” Vicki called it in 1984. “We wanted it to sound like we were sitting in your lap, but it came out like the voices were coming through several layers of gauze.” They were developing quickly, writing a batch of new songs by early 1983, getting tighter on stage.

They also got a manager: Miles Copeland, brother of Stewart (Police drummer), manager of The Go-Go’s. He’s seen in the Sting concert video Bring on the Night chastising a costume designer for having shown up with the wrong outfits. In photographs of the period, he looks like a soap actor playing a rock band manager. Despite The Bangles’ wariness of signing with someone attempting to corner the market in LA power pop bands (Vicki brought a tape recorder to their first meeting, for the band to review what he said afterward), Copeland generally respected them, got them higher-visibility gigs, if giving them no time to prepare. The Bangles learned they were opening for The Beat five days before the tour started—they finally quit their day jobs.

Interviewed by the LA Times in 1988, Copeland outlined his thoughts on developing an artist. “[They] can sell 5,000 records and make a profit by keeping the costs low [n.b., the Bangles EP sold 2,000 copies in its first six weeks of release]…I give the acts all the artistic freedom they want as long as they come through for me—which means balancing their art with financial responsibility.”

from Flipside No. 34

Columbia scouts were following the band by April 1983 (one, Peter Philbin, brought Bruce Springsteen to see The Bangles at the Music Machine; the Boss approved), when they had started their first headlining tour: appearances on American Bandstand and MTV’s Cutting Edge; touring from California to the East, playing Boston and New York for the first time. These were their last performances with Zilinskas.

The most New Wave-looking Bangle and a talented bassist, she’d never advanced from being a second-tier member (she’s only credited on vocals on one EP track, and Vicki said years later that Zilinskas’ voice didn’t harmonize well with the rest of the band’s). Her tastes were more cowpunk than Mod and ultimately there was no place for her. “Annette wanted to do something else, even though she liked this band,” Hoffs said at the time. “We wanted someone who’d be a Bangle family member.” Zilinskas’ last gig was in April 1983; she soon was part of Blood On the Saddle.

One of Zilinskas’ last appearances; Nashville Intelligence Report No. 13, May 1983

Her replacement was another local musician, whose friend Mark Buchholtz recalled that “she’d heard a couple of The Bangles were looking for a roommate to share a house. She also heard they were looking for a new bass player, so she told me ‘I did the first calculated thing ever in my life.'”

Vicki remembered being in high school, reading about The Runaways and freaking out, thinking “‘that’s it, they’ve stolen my dream. I’d always wanted to be in a female band that got real recognition.'” Now Michael “Micki” Steele, founding member of The Runaways, was Vicki Peterson’s roommate and, soon enough, The Bangles’ bassist.


Michael Steele, Sandy West, Joan Jett: first edition of The Runaways, 1975

She was once Susan Thomas (some say Susan Thomas Steele), daughter, reportedly, of a car-wash magnate in Pasadena. Born in 1955, she spent the Sixties reading and listening to records and got out of Pasadena as soon as she could.

In LA in the summer of 1975, she answered an ad for “girl singers” placed by Kim Fowley, notorious scenester, fabulist, abuser, would-be Svengali, and alleged rapist. “It was one of those things, a girl band made up by a guy. Which kind of sucks. Because it was coming through his twisted concept of what women were,” she recalled to Bill DeYoung years later. Calling herself Micki Steele, she sang and played bass, Joan Jett was on guitar, Sandy West drummed. They were the first Runaways, soon recording demos at Gold Star Studios (“yesterday’s kids are trying to hide! Yesterday’s kids better stay out of my sight!”) and whose rehearsals entailed Fowley throwing garbage at them, saying “you better get used to this!”

Before long, Steele got kicked out. To Brendan Mullen and the late Marc Spitz, she explained why: “Early on this thing started with Kim, this sordid personal angle. He was enamored of me in a way that I found very uncomfortable. I’d been raised in a sheltered manner…and wasn’t savvy enough to know I could say, c’mon Kim, fuck off…My performance started going down the tubes, I started going nuts from it.” When Fowley fired her, his parting words were, she recalled, “‘you have no megalo, you have no magic. This is the only chance you’ll ever have to be a rock star and you’ve blown it.’ Perhaps my musical thing didn’t lend itself to his slutty jailbait design, but the way Kim treated me made me depressed for a long time. Then I got angry and decided I was going to show him.”

Steele in Elton Duck, ca. 1980 (via Micki-Steele-Net)

She spent years watching The Runaways rise, crash, and burn, and played in fifteen bands, including Slow Children (1979), once described as a “two-man two-woman group fronted by a ragamuffin street poet.” She had a stint with Jules Shear and the Polar Bears. She was in Elton Duck (1979-1980), where her spotlight number was “Walk Away Renee”; Toni (Childs) and The Movers (1980-81); Snakefinger (1982); The Apaches of Paris (1983). “She was the tallest person,” Laura Molina said of Steele in the latter band. “We would joke about the band being three little guys and this giant girl.”

If among the tallest bassists on the LA club scene, she was also well-regarded. The bassist Joe Iaquinto, in an interview with a Steele fan site, described her style as not “overly complex on the surface but it made you take notice…it was the subtleties and textures that gave the music a lift…Michael was very good at accenting the notes and making melodic sense of otherwise angular and stiff parts.” (Listen to her on Snakefinger’s “Man in the Dark Sedan.”)

Bangles around the time of recording All Over the Place (via Macari)

Some bands only cement upon the arrival of a final member: they’re provisional until then. The Beatles, with Ringo. The Bangles, with Steele. She elevated them. Slightly older, with a decade of experience on stage, she had the neo-Sixties sound down cold, and added a robustness to the harmonies. She’d soon become as substantial a composer for the group as Hoffs and the Petersons.

She brought something else. She was the coolest Bangle. Her look, her playing, her attitude, her stage presence, even her name was cool.

Her first gig with The Bangles was at the Cathay de Grande, on 31 July 1983. They shared the bill with Redd Kross and Black Flag; Michael Quercio joined in on a song. The Bangles sound like a high-octane garage band (see their take on the Carrie Nations’ “Find It,” from Beyond the Valley of the Dolls), if one armed with a set of killer new songs they’d soon record (“James,” “Restless,” “Tell Me,” “All About You”). “They were very undeveloped but at that point it was obvious it was a real band that simply needed more experience and more songs,” Columbia’s Philbin said. “They were a band. They looked like they belonged together.” In August 1983, Columbia signed them.

Around this time, David Roback started a project, meant to get him in shape in the studio before cutting the first Rain Parade album. The founders of the Paisley Underground played on Byrds, Big Star, Neil Young, Beach Boys, VU songs—Hoffs sang on “I’ll Keep It With Mine” and “I’ll Be Your Mirror”; she and Vicki sang harmonies on “Soon Be Home.” Rainy Day, the Paisley Underground’s self-commemoration, would be its capstone.

James Takes a Fall

This is a very pretty song, with some pretty nasty words if you listen to them.

Vicki Peterson, introducing “Where Were You When I Needed You” at the Ritz, NYC, 1984

A concept album about awful boyfriends, All Over the Place was cut in the hinge of 1983-1984 in LA, produced by David Kahne (the band liked his work on Rank and File’s Sundown).


Where the women of Rubber Soul are “the coolest girls on any Beatle record” (Rob Sheffield)—the scenester of “Drive My Car,” the Chelsea hipster of “Norwegian Wood,” the unknowable Girl—the men of All Over the Place are a more pathetic lot. The guy who scopes out the waitress when he thinks you’re not looking; the one whose phone rings at the same time every night (a click whenever you answer). There’s James (“I must be a masochist to ever take up with you,” Hoffs sings; live, she changed one line to “I can only take this shit for so long”); the “you” of “All About You” (“all your pretty things are merely to create the myth,” Vicki sings); the creep photographer of “More Than Meets the Eye” (“he’s around, confusing you ’til the end,” all Bangles sing). The alleged hero of “Hero Takes a Fall,” who sits on his throne, needing endless doses of praise, attention, distractions, sex (Nellie McKay, twenty years on, skewered his next-generation successor in “It’s a Pose“).

All Over the Place, a record of women dealing with men whom they’ve figured out, have endured, are discarding, is as much about the conversations The Bangles have within their songs. Take the vocals, which Kahne pushed up in the mixes. “The combination of our vocals and the guitars—nobody’s really done that sort of folk singing thing with the high-powered rock thing behind it,” Steele said to Melody Maker in 1985. “It’s really tricky to do sound for us—we’ve confounded several engineers.”

There’s a dramatic precision to the lead phrasings: see Hoffs in the verses of “Hero Takes a Fall,” seizing on an early note (“ex-posed when,” “is a vir-tue“), building to a three-note agitation (“light-of-day,” “tell-you-more,” “fa-tal flaw”), ending on a troubled note that prepares you for the refrains (“judgement day,” “return your call“), where she finally cuts loose, savoring the harsh “ALLs.”

But the gold is in the harmonies. How the Bangles confirm Vicki’s suspicions in the refrains of “All About You”: something’s goin’ on [ON and ON!] something’s goin’ on [ON! AND ON!!!] Iiiiiii’m finding out [AH-AH-AH-ALLLLLLL AHBOUT YOUUUUU!] (the “u:” phoneme is a balm to the ear after so many harsh AHs). Hoffs’ daydreaming high counterpart to Debbi’s lead on “Going Down to Liverpool”; the last inflated “looooooooong” in the third verse of “James,” adding to the tension of the underlying V-of-V chord. In the chorus of “He’s Got a Secret,” where Hoffs says she’ll never tell, a grand jury of Bangles says otherwise. The echo-play of rebuttals, musings, stray emphases of “Hero Takes a Fall.”

The guitars! Hoffs’ rhythm part obstinately keeping to its corner in “Live.” The punctuating riffs after every other phrase in “James.” Vicki’s guitar as a scrabbling counter-lead to Hoffs’ in “Tell Me” (the Bo Diddley rhythms of the verses; the breaks where everyone solos in rapid cuts). Vicki in general—hero of the record, of the break, of the refrain tag.

How Steele’s bass keeps “Hero Takes a Fall” limber; how the rapid strum patterns of the acoustic guitars on “Liverpool” jolt against its draggy beat. The clicking undercurrent to the solo in “He’s Got a Secret.” The drum intro to “Restless” and its fuck!-off! guitar solo; the trading-fours guitars on “Silent Treatment,” a song that devolves into howls of Nuh-thing! Nuh-thing! She…said…NOTHING!!! (a nightmare parallel to Debbi’s contented stoner “nuh-thing”s on “Going Down to Liverpool”).

“We’re finding the value in the politics of personal relationships, because it is kind of political,” Vicki said in 1984. “The things that we’re writing about are problems that people have with each other, and politics are people.” All Over the Place is an exuberant set of breakup songs, its joy born from perseverance. It’s in how Hoffs delivers one line of “Hero Takes a Fall”:

Every story’s got an ending
Look out! Here it comes, here it comes

Or, as she sings in “Tell Me,” album credo:

Too bad, baby, this time you lose

Paul Natkin, Chicago, 1984

Closing the LP’s first side is its grand thematic rebuttal (see also the two covers, each sung by Debbi, each offering the prospect of a happily unadventurous life): “Dover Beach,” a gloriously undergraduate rock song, titled after Matthew Arnold’s poem, referencing “The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock” for good measure (“we could come and goooo…oh! and talk of Michel-an-gel-oohhhhhh…OHHHHH–whoaaah”). Despite the cheaters, do-nothings, and cads scattered across the album, “Dover Beach” is where the dream of a perfect love is still worth pursuing, as doomed as it may seem, as badly as it may end.

“This is the real world,” Hoffs had sung the year before. Now she’s looking for a bolt-hole somewhere in it. “If I had the time, I would run away with you,” she begins, over Debbi’s tense drum patterns. He calls out for her, she can’t help him; they’re already severed: “You and I, inseparable and walking.” Vicki’s guitar solo is sixteen bars’ worth of escape; Hoffs’ “if we had the time,” the answering harmonized “we had the tiiiiime!s,” are the voices of reality. The world is no one’s dream, she sings. The guitars rage and fall silent. The last thing you hear are Debbi and Steele tolling away, having become a clock.

Kissing Valentino

Hoffs aloft in the UK, Sounds, February 1985

All Over the Place was a great record that, as with many of its kind, didn’t sell in great numbers (though a respectable 100,000 copies had moved by 1986). In the “Going Down to Liverpool” video, the Paisley Underground Bangles are being chauffeured by a cranky Leonard Nimoy, singing along to their single on the radio, until they reach an entryway, where they leave the car to walk towards a stage. They’re dancing towards success. It proved symbolic enough.

The Bangles spent late 1984 and early 1985 on the road. As in the LA club days, they quickly moved up the rungs, opening for the Psychedelic Furs, A Flock of Seagulls (a tour that was mostly cancelled, letting the Bangles headline a few dates), and Cyndi Lauper, who took a shine to them and put them in a video she did for The Goonies.

The collapse of The Go-Go’s—Jane Wiedlin left in October 1984 and the band broke up the following May—cleared space. The two bands had never been rivals as much as legend has it, but many rock radio stations had strict, if tacit limits on how many female artists would get airplay. So if That Girl Rock Band was over, there was more room on playlists for That Other Girl Rock Band. “We need stuff like this,” WXKS program director Sonny Joe White told Billboard, in re “Manic Monday.” “We haven’t had a girl group since The Go-Go’s.” (Meanwhile The Pandoras were called “a pre-fashion-consultant Bangles” in the following issue).

Session log for Prince’s “Manic Monday,” 4 February 1984, from Duane Tudahl’s Prince & the Purple Rain Era Sessions

Most crucially, Prince. He saw The Bangles at the Palace, loved “Hero Takes a Fall” (“number one in my car,” he told Hoffs), and offered them a song. It wasn’t written for them. He’d composed “Manic Monday” well before he’d heard of the band, having cut a take in February 1984— rewriting the opening line of “1999,” building the track around a harpsichord patch on his Yamaha DX-7—and earmarking the song for Apollonia. Wendy Melvoin later said she thought the switchabout happened “because Prince thought Susanna was cute,” an industry sentiment that soon became a rumor that Prince had had a fling with Hoffs (“So, who’s the one who slept with Prince?” Joan Rivers asked the band; writing of “Manic Monday” in his 1989 Heart of Rock ‘n’ Soul, Dave Marsh called it a song Prince wrote for “the Bangles heartthrob Susannah (sic)”).

“Manic Monday” has little to do with The Bangles of All Over the Place—it’s all Prince, imagining a mildly surreal nine-to-five life (details are Art Deco era: Rudolph Valentino dreams, “aeroplanes”), as if he’d thought to reverse the perspective of Sheena Easton’s “Morning Train,” writing in the voice of someone rushing off to work after having to satisfy their demanding lover at home (“doesn’t it matter that I have to feed the both of us? Employment’s down!“).

“I kept thinking, Sue and I could write a song like this,” Vicki said. “It seemed a little more contrived than most of our songs—ours were a little more obtuse.” Hoffs, after Prince’s death, said “I think he was able to write for women really well. [“Manic Monday”] shows a day in the life: in the morning, getting up and preparing yourself to keep your life moving forward, but the sense of, like, it’s just on the verge of falling apart. And you’re like—tape and glue: just trying to get through the moments.” That said, the “bedroom voice/ make some noise” line grew to irritate her and she would sometimes cut it from later live performances.

David Kahne didn’t alter Prince’s template: the “harpsichord” lines are nearly identical, with the keyboard on the Bangles’ track going at a faster tempo and having a few more flourishes. The arrangement is thicker, with nestled guitars, Steele’s fluid bass (she gets especially crafty in the second verse), the no-escaping-the-2s-&-4s drums. As always, it’s the harmonies where The Bangles were most transformative. They first appear to bolster “won’t get paid” (Prince sang that line alone, without emphasis); their “whoah-oah” responses in the refrains alter upon each repetition, expanding, rising in tone, until sinking to make a bed for Hoffs’ last “Mon-day”; on the bridge the other Bangles are a series of counter-melodies for Hoffs to work against (“last night, last night—doesn’t it maaa-ter…only hav-ing fun”).

You know you’ve really hit mainstream when you are the background music to One Life to Live—when they go to a disco and it’s ‘Manic Monday’ playing.

Vicki Peterson, 1986

“The first surprise of the year,” raved the tip sheet Gavin Report. “Lyrics with adult appeal, [a band] with teen appeal, equals mass appeal.” Columbia promo execs said the groundwork had been laid by All Over the Place‘s singles, “which built on college radio…[this] initial acceptance helped “Manic Monday” on AOR and Top 40, adult contemporary just followed.” It was also Prince in his pop imperial phase, writing a song so hook-filled that you forgive its exponentially dopey rhymes in the chorus. Hoffs sang it with charm—her voice sounded as shiny as a new penny.

Its video was the last piece. The Bangles, no longer the sharp-elbowed power poppers of the All Over the Place era, but stars: Hoffs’ smoldering camera takes, Steele’s none-more-1986 hat, the gauzy amber light that predicts The Double Life of Veronique. The “Working Girl” lyric scenario is barely conveyed. Steele looks perturbed in LA traffic in a few shots, that’s all.

“Manic Monday” peaked in April 1986 at #2 on Billboard, only held off from the top by its composer’s “Kiss.” A hit turns a private concern into a publicly-held one, at the mercy of market whims and dissident shareholders. “Columbia said, here we have a way into radio, and it’s because of Prince’s infatuation with the little one in the middle,” Vicki later told DeYoung. “And all of a sudden you have an article on the band, but there’s a photograph of Susanna.”

The album that “Manic Monday” supported was a fight to make. Kahne wasn’t going to have another “obtuse” guitar pop record—he was making a hit album, even if that meant erasing The Bangles from much of it. “Manic Monday” is Hoffs’ lead vocal, the Bangles’ harmonies, and Steele’s bass while the rest was greatly session players (Carlos Vega on drums, possibly Mitchell Froom on keyboards). The Bangles, Sixties rock devotees, were in the position of The Byrds in 1965—hearing a song on the radio with their name on it but on which they didn’t play.

“Four Formats Fall For The Bangles”

We weren’t smart enough to know we could fire our producer.

Vicki Peterson

Listen to the Bangles at the Marquee in London, February 1985—opening with a piledriving “Silent Treatment,” burning through their set at a Ramones-paced clip. “We sounded like this great raw rock band,” Debbi said. Yet on Different Light, The Bangles’ biggest-selling album, recorded from July through September of that year, Kahne deconstructed them from what they had been—a Sixties-inspired songwriting collective/garage band—to forge them on record into a more hierarchical, label-friendly structure. Hoffs, charismatic, linked erroneously with Prince, would be the lead singer; the rest of the band were good for harmonies and suspect in terms of songwriting and playing.

“He loved Sue’s voice and he loved the way we did harmonies but everything else was basically shit,” Steele told DeYoung. “He felt like he had to get rid of it, or try to work around it, or do something to make it palatable.” (Kahne, to Mix in 2009, called his relationship with The Bangles “a forced marriage.”)

It fell hardest on Debbi, whom Kahne already had made jump through hoops for her vocal on “Going Down to Liverpool,” having her sing the opening line over and over again. On Different Light, “he said I physically couldn’t sing one of the songs…I was actually at one point feeling kind of suicidal,” she told DeYoung. “This guy was screwing with my emotions so bad and made me feel so shitty that I just thought, well OK.” She was originally slated for “Walk Like an Egyptian,” which meant, like “Going Down to Liverpool,” she’d be the lead on a single. Instead, she’s the one Bangle not singing on “Walk Like an Egyptian.”

Kahne made an album as an aircraft carrier, loaded with potential hits. This meant making each track as radio-ready as possible. “We would go in as a band, all four of us in a room, and lay down the song,” Vicki told Vintage Guitar. “Then, in classic ’80s style, with the guidance and decisions of Kahne, we would systematically replace everything we’d just done! Every guitar line was replaced with various schmutz. Even Susanna’s rhythm tracks.” To Craig Rosen, she said “we’d isolate the drums, and we’d sound like the Rolling Stones, and then we’d come back out and every single note on that record is replaced with a trigger—snares that Debbi hit are now triggered by another sound.”

“He made us more aware of what our flaws were then the things we were good at,” Hoffs recalled to DeYoung. Then Kahne started bringing in “ringer guitar players to do certain things,” Vicki said. “At one point, I’d had to leave the studio for an emergency, and I came back, and he’d had his guy show up and do a solo. It was the backwards thing on ‘September Gurls.’ I hate to burst your bubble, I didn’t play that.”

Tom Hibbert meets the gang; Smash Hits, 1986

There was also the question of songwriting. Miles Copeland, to DeYoung, recalled that Kahne would say he didn’t like a song’s bridge and ask the band to rewrite it. They’d return to the studio with a new middle eight, he’d say that was no good either, then suggest a bridge he’d written. “In their view, the reason his middle bit was ‘better’ is because he got a piece of the publishing. And they were incredibly pissed off about that.” (Kahne’s credited as co-writer on “Walking Down Your Street,” “Standing in the Hallway,” and “Not Like You.”)

The Bangle who most escaped intact was Steele, whose basslines are still on Different Light. She wondered if Kahne had run out of time to have a session musician redo those, too (more likely, there was no point in trying to surpass her playing—listen to her as the titanium bond of “Walk Like an Egyptian” or on “Not Like You,” where she’s often the lead instrument, this bubbling undercurrent to the harmonies). Her “Following,” an intriguing acoustic guitar/synth piece tucked away on the LP’s second side, was an afterthought for Kahne. “He’d totally forgotten about it. He was totally freaking out about which of the twenty-seven mixes of ‘Manic Monday’ was the right one,” Steele told DeYoung. “We were almost done with recording and I said, uhh, David, remember the song ‘Following’? So it was like two takes.”

There was also “Let It Go,” the only track on the album composed and sung by all Bangles, with its sequential harmonies (a lower set sings a first phrase, holding on the last note, which becomes the stage for a higher-pitched set harmonies to soar over; the higher harmonies do the same in turn) and Sixties guitars—it was a bridge to a fading past. Trying to remember….where you were the day before…

The producer knew that this was going to be his shot and so we were sacrificed on the altar of his career. It became our success but it also contributed to our undoing, so it was kind of like a weird deal-with-the-devil thing, y’know? I think Different Light is a really good record. It was just…we kind of got lost in it.

Steele, to The Guardian, 2003

To be fair, this sort of ruthless production ethos is nothing new. The Bangles wanted to be the new Grass Roots? Well, this is how Grass Roots records were made. Kahne delivered on his mandate from Columbia. He made a platinum album for 1986, its mix full of gated drums and guitar brickwork: the stereo-split riffs on “Angels Don’t Fall in Love,” or how on “In a Different Light,” the intro alone pits a clean-toned guitar against one with a Wah pedal against one with sustained fuzz. It’s a record on which the tambourine sounds like it took fifty takes to perfect.

And the band admitted that Kahne was inspired in recording their vocals, having them sing together, four singers positioned around a trio of microphones (he also wanted lead vocals cut on a single track, not creating a “master” take via comping but instead using punch-ins to fix a particular section). “There was no overdubbing individual people, which makes for a different kind of recording process,” Kahne told Mix. “We would double the vocals most of the time, but they would sing together as a group, and we would get a different kind of relationship that you don’t get recording each person…There are intonation things, phrasing things—like somebody might pull a little late, so it’ll make the second chorus seem a little different than the first.”

If She Knew What She Wants” is the Chartres Cathedral of Bangles harmonies (the guitar work is nearly as intricate: what sounds like a rotary speaker on the bridge; the quick shuffles between open and palm-muted strums in the rhythm guitar accompaniment; the harmonized guitar melodies that lead the choruses out). It’s also one of Hoffs’ finest lead performances, rich in sympathy for its characters, reticent as to her true feelings on them. She’s warm in tone, colorful in phrasing, especially in the bridges, and her moments of effort left in the mix—see the sharp breath Hoffs takes after the three descending “fine, fine, fines” to steady herself for the high notes of “ah-round” and the concluding “miiii-ii-ii-iiine”—give it a welcome grit.

No. 1, 3 May 1986

Walk Like an Egyptian.” Liam Sternberg wrote it. Part of the New Wave scene in Akron in the late Seventies, having produced Jane Aire’s first record, Sternberg made a demo of “Egyptian” in 1984 with guitars, drum machines, and Marti Jones. Quirky, catchy, semi-ironically colonial, it seemed destined to be a College Rock Novelty Hit, in the line of “88 Lines About 44 Women,” “Take the Skinheads Bowling,” “Bitchin Camaro” etc.: see here for dozens of other candidates. The Bangles found the demo in a pile of tapes Kahne gave them and performed an act of transubstantiation. (Its success inspired a College Rock Novelty answer song in 1987: “Walk With an Erection.”)

Its foundation was an Alesis drum machine, a garbage can lid, a Peruvian shaker, a gong, and an Emulator-generated bongo sample, the latter via Mitchell Froom, who was recording at the Sunset Sound Factory at the same time (the “Egyptian” rhythm tracks are a kooky ancestor of the Latin Playboys album that Froom and Different Light‘s engineer Tchad Blake did a decade later). Having decreed that Debbi wasn’t up for the song, Kahne had the other Bangles audition in the studio, with Kahne picking who would get each verse: the order wound up being Vicki (Nile set-up), Steele (LA club extension), and Hoffs (donut shop punchline).

They weren’t sure what they had with it. In the early months of the Different Light tour, the band sometimes didn’t include “Egyptian” in their sets. But after “If She Knew What She Wants” stalled out as the album’s second single (peaking at #29), Columbia went with “Egyptian” to regain momentum. By Christmas 1986, it was the number one single in the U.S.

It was The Bangles’ “The Name Game,” or “The Wah-Watusi.” You could dance badly to it; you and your friends could pick the Bangle you wanted to imitate; its video had random New Yorkers doing the Egyptian, badly-animated Quaddafi and Princess Di clips, The Bangles in sand dancer outfits, and the most epic of Hoffs eye flicks, to the point where doing “the eyes” is de rigueur for karaoke performers.

On 29 October 1986 at the Syria Mosque in Pittsburgh, The Bangles are at their peak—confident, funny, nailing the harmonies, the guitars and bass locked in. It’s already a greatest hits tour. “We know everybody knows how to dance!” Hoffs commands the crowd, and they do. Not long afterward, The Bangles did a video with Little Richard—the band are TV contest winners who manage to upstage Richard himself. Why not? Getting a number one hit was like winning the World Series, Hoffs said.

Is This Burning?

I remember how big my hair was on the ‘Walk Like an Egyptian’ thing and feeling like ‘Oh my God! What just happened to me?’ And you get caught up in going along with what’s happening. A wardrobe person comes and says ‘These are great clothes; put these on.’…You look over and the person sitting next to you has got that much makeup on, too. It’s just a vicious cycle.

Hoffs, 2000

The Bangles, hosting MTV for an hour in 1986, are rock ‘n’ roll archivists for a teenage audience. They play Ike and Tina Turner, The Easybeats, The Who igniting the stage on The Smothers Brothers.

The peak of Bangles fame coincided with what I once called the Boomer Counter-Reformation: the period in the late Eighties in which every Sixties act returned, cicada-like, from the depths of the earth. George Harrison and Roy Orbison got Top Ten hits; Neil Young and Dylan got critically-acclaimed albums; Tiffany covered The Beatles; The Beatles’ CD release campaign was treated with the reverence of a state visit by the Windsors; The Who and The Monkees and CSNY and “classic” Yes and Jefferson Airplane reformed.

You could put The Bangles on the margins of all this, but their sharp fan’s sensibility prevented them from being cheap nostalgists. See their #2 hit from late 1987, a cover of Simon and Garfunkel’s “Hazy Shade of Winter” that obliterates the original. It opens in suspense—harmonies, chimes, synth waves—until breaking open with Vicki’s amphetamine expansion on Paul Simon’s acoustic guitar figure and Debbi’s pounding drums, a hammer exorcism of the Kahne sessions. She sounds like she’s knocking apart a crate. (Plus, cowbell!)

The Bangles know which lines to savor (“simply pretend that you can build them again“), which to excise (reading manuscripts of unpublished rhyme, drinking vodka & lime). They sing most of it in close four-part harmony, so when Hoffs stands alone in the final chorus, a tension begins that builds and builds—Vicki’s riff ping-ponging in the mix; the drums somehow thrashing even harder; Steele as a convulsion—until it’s snuffed out.

Made for the soundtrack of the LA coke movie Less Than Zero, “Hazy Shade” was a Rick Rubin production, but he hated the intro the band had devised (Vicki: “that whole sort of atmospheric beginning just drove Rick up the wall”). They vetoed him and kept it in. After getting the drums and guitars down, Rubin “split for a pizza,” leaving them to finish the track, ultimately adding two further days of overdubs—keyboards, acoustic guitars, vocals—and having an engineer remix it. They were at home in the song, having done it on stage for years, and their instincts were dead-on: the “synth” prelude made the rock section vault out of the speakers. Theirs was a Sixties cover free of affectation, it was loud, fun, young.

The essentially self-produced single had cleared the air, restored their shaken confidence after Different Light. By summer 1987, The Bangles had ten new songs ready to go, Hoffs told a reporter. That said, Steele told another that fans should try to hear the new stuff on stage “before some producer gets ahold of them.”

Like it or don’t like it, you know? That’s where we were at the time. That’s what eight years of touring brought us to, the making of that album.

Hoffs, on Everything

Everything, the last Bangles album of their original run, sounds negotiated, brokered, full of strange turns and compromises, like a municipal infrastructure project. One of the band’s strengths was knowing who they were and what they were good at. On Everything, that communal confidence has gone, leaving behind a compilation of four women’s takes on where The Bangles should go next, responding to each other’s scenarios with wariness. Their more concise White Album.

Columbia gave them the rewards of hitting #1: a budget of $350,000 and artistic control. The band chose the producer (Davitt Sigerson), had the last call on songs. “Our ideas about arrangement, harmonies, about tempo, about musicianship,” as Hoffs described the album to the Chicago Tribune. After they made it, they fired Miles Copeland, who they believed had never considered them a top priority, and signed with the management team of Arnold Stiefel and Randy Phillips.

The fault lines visible since “Manic Monday” were deepening. Columbia, the press, seemingly everyone but the other three Bangles were intent on making Hoffs the star of the band. By summer 1987, she was on the cover of SPIN‘s swimsuit issue and the lead of The Allnighter, a dire college comedy directed by her mother. Vicki recalled reading the script and being bewildered that it was going to be an actual movie.

“The videos were going very pro-Sue,” Debbi recalled to DeYoung. “I could see it all happening.” Hoffs was in an indefensible position. Whenever she was called the band’s lead singer, she’d say no, that The Bangles were equals, but “then I’m sort of defending the fact that I’m not. It just caused this tension with all of us…the more tense everybody got about it, the more tense I felt about it.” Vicki recalled that “all the people who loved me wanted to blame everything on Sue. And it was not all Sue’s fault…she was neither a victim, nor was she a perpetrator of this crime. It was partially both.”

The old composition team of Hoffs and Vicki was fading (they wrote only one song on Everything, “Watching the Sky”); each Bangle now had different collaborators. “We needed space away from each other,” Hoffs said. “We all went off to write with other people, just to survive emotionally.” They wound up with about forty songs, had to pare them to thirteen. Debbi worked with keyboardist Walker Igleheart; Steele with keyboardist David White; Vicki with a batch of co-writers, some of whom weren’t keyboardists, including Rachel Sweet (“Crash and Burn”) and KISS’ Vinnie Vincent (“Make a Play For Her Now”).

Hoffs chose Billy Steinberg and Tom Kelly, who’d written “True Colors” and “Like a Virgin” and “So Emotional” and “Alone”: she went with the hitmakers. “In Your Room,” leadoff single of Everything, was a killer. Even its minor details were hooky: the tympanum sound in the intro, the “Mony Mony” guitars and beat (“Tommy James meets Prince,” Hoffs said), how Hoffs’ phrasing in the verse follows the lead of the intro guitar, the organ swells in the bridge to counter the bite in Hoffs’ voice (“feels good!”), the strings in the outro. And it was the first Bangles single to cater to guys. The Bangles always had been the women responding to the various Jaggers and Lennons who populated their songs. “In Your Room” was male fantasy—the sweet isolation of the Beach Boys’ “In My Room” as rewritten for an Eighties sex comedy—leavened by mild kinkiness. She’s trying on all his clothes; she’ll be the one directing traffic.

Everything‘s women are often at a loss, wistfully romantic or wreaking havoc, regarded by an unsympathetic eye. See the Complicated Girl (Steele, on its inspiration: “My best friend was dating a girl at the time and he loved her. And I hated her!”) or the would-be Plath in Vicki’s “Bell Jar” (“she dresses in black, ‘cos sorrow is a magnet”).

Steele had come into her own as a writer, yet another stress-line in the group at this point. “Complicated Girl,” with its echo harmonies on the title phrase and the “You Won’t See Me”-inspired run of ooh-la-las on the bridge, and a harmonic blurriness in which the A major key is undermined like the hapless guy she sings about (“why bother making rules you know she will not follow?”). The quietly intricate “Something to Believe In,” which has no real refrain, just bridges and verses working against each other. And “Glitter Years,” in which Steele looks back at 1973 LA as a lost, broken world, with only Bowie’s “Hang Onto Yourself” as a souvenir. Vicki does her best Mick Ronson for the break.

Vicki’s songs are more expansive and heavier—see “Watching the Sky,” where her sister channels John Bonham (there seems to have been a consensus to keep the rockers to a minimum, so the snarling “Everything I Wanted” was an orphan, later slotted into the thankless role of “new track on the greatest hits compilation”). She got the album’s last word: “Crash and Burn,” with its goofball rhymes (“checking out the scene-o/ feeling so mean-o”) and its defiance of fate in the guise of a highway song. “If I can’t see what’s passing me, nothing can touch me,” Vicki sings.

Eternal Flame.” When I first heard it as an arrogant, purist seventeen-year-old, I thought it was the end. The band who’d made All Over the Place had been reduced to this embalmed prom theme, this ghastly cheese, this soul-death of a song you’d hear playing in Chess King.

I wasn’t wrong. It was the band’s knell. There was no coming back from a #1 hit like “Eternal Flame” in 1989. The follow-up, Debbi’s sweetly obsessive “Be With You,” stalled at #30 and the Bangles’ management team and label agreed that going forward, Hoffs would get the singles, presumably in the “Eternal Flame” line (if not for the breakup, her “I’ll Set You Free” would’ve been the next US single). A band who loved to storm through “7 and 7 Is” and “Pushing Too Hard” on stage was now apparently moving into Peter Cetera territory.

I have this habit of falling in love with the wrong people, but I’ve learned to release some of that energy into my own songs.

Hoffs on stage, April 1989

“Eternal Flame” is schlocky, yes, and proudly so–Hoffs’ inspiration was seeing an ever-burning candle at Graceland, after all. There’s a fundamental imbalance between its sentiments and Hoffs’ vocal. “Eternal Flame” seems meant for a belter, someone who’ll go to town in the bridges and last choruses. Hoffs can’t sing it like that. She’s no Celine Dion or Adele, hers is not a technically masterful performance. She strains with her chest voice at times, her push to falsetto sounds like it takes stomach-clenching effort, and she only sustains the last “flaaaaaaaaaame”s for a few seconds before the harmonies come to her aid.

She saves “Eternal Flame” from being mush by being so valiant within it, a stranger within her own song, feeling overwhelmed yet pushing on, convinced that after all her empty searches, she finally may have something good. “I had to keep protecting it and fighting for it. It just seemed like at any moment it would disappear, like something would strike it down,” Hoffs once said of her song. It’s her return to “Dover Beach,” another sally against the cruel real world. The trebly arrangement was meant to invoke a music box (see the triangle, struck on every bar and utterly maddening once you notice it, sorry), with Hoffs as its dancer.

LA Weekly, 20 April 1989

We work it out like business
It won’t work anymore

“I’ll Set You Free”

The Bangles’ last tour ran from July to early September 1989. No one was happy, no one said anything, everyone had stomach aches, the collective misery stacked up. They did a show commemorating the opening of a stretch of a Houston tollway that connected Highway 290 to the North Freeway and as they played, they saw the overpass buckling from the weight of the crowd and the summer heat. Reviews ranged from dismissive to condescending: “wearing the usual miniskirts and black tights…’Bangles’ is now synonymous with fluff and tummy-revealing costumes…rock in name only” (NY Daily News); “cheap razzle dazzle performance, nearly devoid of musical soul” (the Glens Falls Post Star); “they still posture unnecessarily…Hoffs’ preening and arching seemed contrived” (Akron Beacon-Journal).

There was a band meeting at Stiefel’s beach house. As many musicians have noted, whenever a manager schedules a band meeting, it’s never a good sign. An exhausted Steele had said she wanted out, and Stiefel and Philips were courting her as a solo act. But their true target was Hoffs, convincing the latter that things would go far easier if all this band stuff went away. The meeting was held to tell the Petersons the news. “All the lawyers and business managers were there,” Debbi told Dorian Lynskey years later. “Me and Vicki were looking at each other thinking, ‘There’s definitely something going on here.’ And it was announced to us that it was over.”

The news broke in October 1989. It was as though everyone was ready for them to go. Everything had only hit #15, and the release of a Greatest Hits the following year, a career-cap move that normally would have meant a reliable gold record, barely charted in the US. The Eighties were over; so were The Bangles, swept out with the long tide.

Bangles Forever!

Bangles reunited, 2000 (Paul Harris)

They mostly spent the Nineties watching the wheels, as an influence of theirs once sang. Vicki worked with Susan Cowsill as the Psycho Sisters; they later joined the Continental Drifters. Debbi was briefly in an ill-fated supergroup with Gina Shock, Wendy & Lisa, and Gang of Four’s Sara Lee, which later became Kindred Spirit. Steele moved out to the country, living in a house with a lot of animals and no television, she said. She demoed songs for a solo album, as she’d been led to believe she’d get a record deal, then didn’t. She formed the band Crash Wisdom a few years later.

Hoffs started the decade being talked up as the next Belinda Carlisle. For her solo debut, When You’re a Boy, she worked again with David Kahne, the devil she knew (“when I didn’t have Vicki and Micki and Debbi there to fight the fight, Kahne went out of control pop, out of control production, out of control keyboards”). It was a dud, with a few solid tracks (the EIEIO and Bowie covers; “Something New“)—its fundamental flaw was being a brutally overworked 1988 album released in 1991.

On a proposed 1994 follow-up, some of whose songs were co-written by Sparklehorse’s Mark Linkous, you hear Hoffs pushing into a fresher, harder style—there’s the bones of a good record here. But Columbia soured on it, wanted her to re-record the album, she refused, they released her from her contract. She reworked much of it for a self-titled 1996 album on London.

Bangles, around the time of Doll Revolution

She considered trying to reform The Bangles at times during the decade, to tepid response by the other three, and later said she was glad they didn’t sign up for “all the repackaged tours, tour with the Go-Go’s and the B-52s…It felt nauseating to me, the very idea.” (Hoffs also needed time to recover from a vocal cord hemorrhage in 1997.) What finally brought them back together was the Austin Powers franchise, directed by Hoffs’ husband, Jay Roach. The four of them cut a marvelous “period” song (“Get the Girl”) for the second Powers film in 1999, and by the following year they were on stage again.

The reunion Bangles endured for another album, Doll Revolution (2003), whose songs were greatly survivors from ventures of the prior decade: Hoffs solo pieces, Steele’s Crash Wisdom songs, Kindred Spirit and Peterson-Cowsill compositions. Its making, self-funded, done over a few years (Hoffs and Debbi had young children by now) was a catharsis merely by being enjoyable—“We would look at each other and go, ‘but, we’re not suffering. This can’t be good’,'” Vicki said in 2003. “Is it art? Nobody’s suffering. We’re all laughing and having dinner.”

The Bangles as a trio, 2008 {Paul Kane)

Steele stopped touring with The Bangles in summer 2004 and in May 2005, officially left the group. There was no reason stated, but the consensus is that Steele had wanted to keep recording new material and was frustrated by the band’s hobbyist pace in this era. (Derrick Anderson was their touring bassist for a time; Annette Zilinskas returned in the 2010s.) The “trio” Bangles—the original Bangs—have made one more record to date, Sweetheart of the Sun (2011). On it, The Bangles reorient themselves in California, inspired by a then-recent biography of Carole King and Joni Mitchell. It’s a lovely, modest record: the sound of a band at ease with itself.

Until the pandemic, The Bangles had kept on as a live act, performing nearly every year, sometimes doing festivals, sometimes a club tour. Their last appearance on stage was in September 2019, at the Del Mar Fairgrounds—it’s a good set, with a smoking “Want You” and a closing “Eternal Flame” that sounds like it’s bringing down an era. A fixture of rock ‘n’ roll—we’re as far away now from their first single as it was from Pearl Harbor—The Bangles still seem regarded in some quarters as lightweights. They’ve rarely worn the mantle of cool in the way Big Star or The Records or your favorite obscure power pop band has; they’re been consigned to a cultural memory of big hair and Walking Eternally Like an Manic Egyptian.

Some of this may be due to a general ineptitude in establishing their legacy. Rachel Macari, the band’s most devoted researcher and archivist, argued this in a piece last year: that the early albums, now over thirty years old, have never been properly reissued or remastered; that there are scads of live recordings (it’s a true shame there’s no official Bangles live LP), demos, unreleased songs, alternate takes out there which no one seems interested in compiling, let alone releasing. And that portions of their fanbase are toxic, the type of dudes who clutter up Bangles YouTube comments by slavering over the band members.

Hoffs inducted The Zombies into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 2019 and I recall thinking at the time, well, when is this woman’s induction? When is her band’s? The Bangles had massive hits, they had style, they had some of the finest harmonic arrangements and one of the best debut albums of the Eighties, they were a blast, they broke up before they got lousy—what more do you want from a rock ‘n’ roll band, really?

In the late 2010s, the Paisley Underground sang each other’s songs again, for the 3×4 album. The Bangles did Three O’Clock’s “Jet Pilot,” Dream Syndicate’s “That’s What You Always Say,” and Rain Parade’s “Talking in My Sleep.” The latter is a stunning, a time-slip—Hoffs, sounding at sixty much as she had at twenty-two, reviving with grace one of David Roback’s finest songs (Roback died of cancer not long afterward). She soars through the melody, the Petersons and Zilinskas back her up, with Vicki delivering a properly lysergic solo. If we had the time, they sang so long ago on “Dover Beach.” As it turned out, they had all the time in the world. See what’s become of them.

2(c). Belly

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“You have to leave the nest sometime,” 1995 (Ebet Roberts)

For the video of “Now They’ll Sleep,” lead-off single of Belly’s 1995 album King, the band are cast as their own roadies. They fix dangling mikes, tune snare heads and guitars, tape down cords. Tanya Donelly crouches alongside the stage, fixated on the lead singer.

She knows every word, sings along; she’s translating the song, while it’s being given to a crowd, into a private show playing in her head. It’s Donelly watching her performing self, a “Tanya” seen here in shadow, in quick cuts, from behind, from jostled perspectives of the audience.

“Sometimes it’s me, sometimes it’s not,” she said in 1993, when asked who she was on stage. “Sometimes it’s somebody else entirely. But a lot of my stuff is like third-person—me watching something. Voyeuristic. Voyeur to other people’s pain.”

If Donelly’s charm threatens to sink the video concept—it’s a wonder she never popped up in some Nineties film or TV show (even Juliana Hatfield got a speaking part in My So-Called Life)it ultimately works because Belly had a central anonymous quality. The sort of band whose roadies could have been more charismatic figures, their existence seemed improvised, mysterious, even fragile. And it wasn’t for long: Belly was done and dusted before Bill Clinton’s first term as president was over.

Bogie Gwang, Alone


Donelly’s top 12, Melody Maker (14 November 1992). The misspelling of her name is a constant of her press coverage.

Tanya wanted to be a pop star and I had no ambitions at all. So I was keeping her down and she was dragging me up.

Kristin Hersh, 2001.

The most lucrative project ever associated with Donelly’s former band, Throwing Muses [see Quartet 2], Belly’s debut Star sold over a million copies worldwide and nearly topped the UK album charts. “Feed the Tree” was an MTV constant and a Billboard Modern Rock #1; band and album even got Grammy nominations.

It was the triumph of a second-placer. Confined to two songs per album in the Muses, only a guitarist and harmony vocalist on the Breeders’ Pod [see Quartet 2(b)], Donelly had a boxload of songs by 1991. Star was a double-remove of an album, with some songs written for the Muses’ The Real Ramona and most demoed for a second Breeders record.


The Fort Apache “Breeders II” tapes (Donelly, via WGBH)

Joe Harvard, who recorded the “Breeders II” demos at Fort Apache in Cambridge, MA, died earlier this year. In tribute, Donelly put the demos on Bandcamp for free. A friend since the early Muses days, he called her “Bogie Gwang” (“after the quirky guitar intro of a song I wrote, ‘The River’“). Her comfort with Harvard and Fort Apache allowed her to tack down much of Star at its demo stage. Songs feel set in place in their sketch forms. There are few lyrical variants from the album versions; Donelly’s phrasings, rhythm guitar lines and song structures are greatly there, although she’d change “Mariah” to “Maria” in “Slow Dog” after Pavement’s Bob Nastanovich wondered if she was singing about Mariah Carey.

“I had the songs and I didn’t know what to do with them,” she said in 1993 (among the oldest was a unreleased song from the Muses’ “Doghouse” demo tape, “Raise the Roses,” which she split into “Angel” and “Sexy S.“) Her debut was a transition piece, “representing the time when I was completely revamping my life. New band, new relationship, new everything…I think that as long as I’m in somebody else’s band, I’ll never become a good songwriter.”

Although Kim Deal played guitar on a few demos, Deal sticking with the Pixies [see Quartet 2(a)] through mid-1992 led Donelly to abandon the idea of using the Breeders as her solo vehicle. It came down to her “needing the music” before the Pixies inevitably broke up.

White Bellied Up In the Sun


Volume Six, 1993 (Louise Rhodes)

Whatever people get out of the songs, they’re as right about it as I am. Unless they’re way off the mark. Everybody is free to take what they want from my songs. Not from me. Nobody gets near me.

Donelly, 1993

What sort of songs were they? Some prospective singles, full of hooks; contrasting darker pieces in 3/4 or 6/8. She wove motifs through her lyrics: beds, sleeping, dreaming; backs (lying on; having burns on; having a dead dog or a bird’s nest strapped to); houses and dresses; the moon; waters, divers, and shores (Newport’s Sachuest Beach, in the title track).

“Eventually I want to write children’s books,” she told Evelyn McDonnell around the time of Star‘s release. Favorites were the Brothers Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen, who captured “the way children are. Kids are so psycho. They haven’t learned to be afraid of death; they haven’t fit it into their world yet. Everything is so strange to them.” There was “Witch,” where Donelly flashed on the image of walking into a house to see “this woman lying on a bed with her eyes and her mouth and her breasts and her crotch and her toes all lit up, like a Christmas tree, with lights.” Or her take on “Trust in Me,” the killer python’s seduction song in The Jungle Book (it would be a B-side).


Most of all, “Gepetto.” “About the way children relate to each other, and how there’s a lot of dark weird stuff in a child’s world,” she told the NME in 1993. “There’s a lot of sexuality in childhood, a lot of it. That’s where a lot of sexual weirdness starts. When I was six or seven, my friends and I were like, ‘You be the boy now.'” The song began with a memory from kindergarten. She liked a boy, he ripped the head off her doll, she bonked him on the head with a toy fire engine. “That was the first time I felt I’d hurt the person I flirted with. You know that moment when you’ve said something or done something and you’ve gone one step too fucking far? That was our moment, and we were five.”

It’s a slapstick childhood flirtation mirrored with a grotesque adult one—a hapless lover as the puppeteer Gepetto, lying atop a woman that he thinks he’s brought to life, a woman with a sunny contempt for his performance (“Gepetto, where’d you put it? Poor, Gepetto: poor, poor“) and who could easily knock him on the head with a fire engine again. When Donelly performed it, she stomped around the stage as if she was crushing bugs.


She leans into the tape machine. “Most of the characters I think of are female. I don’t really understand your sex, Jim.”

Donelly to Jim Arundel, Melody Maker, 4 July 1992

A psycho-sexual history mapped across fifteen tracks, Star’s lyrical perspective shifts—sometimes first-person, sometimes a voyeuristic third-party—but its anchoring image is of a young woman alone somewhere, in an empty house or beach. Some horror has occurred, or is about to. A junkie’s down in the cellar, her captor having bagged off after he thinks she’s kicked (“she’s just dusted, leave her”). An adulteress is forced to carry a decomposing dog on her back; a faerie steals a child from its room, flying out the window backwards, conducting the mother’s grief like a puppeteer (“fall to the bed! Put your hand in your hair!”). The singer talks to ghosts and crap ex-boyfriends, to serial killers and God. She wants the red moon; God answers by sending angels to bring a river to her. As with Gepetto, she’s not impressed.


Web-chat on MSN, 18 November 1996

“That album was really me killing my childhood,” Donelly said in 2013. Star is, among many things, the work of someone who’d never felt at ease in school, who’d been so riddled with anxiety that she threw up every day; someone who had felt wretched as a teenager and still, in her late twenties, could feel like an imposter adult. And she’d been through hard patches at the start of the Nineties—breakups with a boyfriend and with Hersh, her best friend and step-sister.

It spilled out in “Untogether”: Donelly once said that each verse was aimed at a particular person. If the last verse isn’t about the demise of the original Muses, it’s a good feinting maneuver: “the bird keeps her distance/and I keep my space/ sometimes there’s no poison like a dream.”


“The Day the Muses Died,” NME breakup notice, 23 November 1991

“We called ourselves step-twins and we were letting ourselves be two sides of a personality, so we like to think that we became whole when we stopped relying on each other that way,” Hersh told Uncut in 2013. To Martin Aston, Donelly said “I was in danger of losing my sense of self to something that had run out of control and that nobody involved had any control over…Kristin and I were too tired and numb, which was dangerous, but we got over it the second I quit.”

Yet there’s joy in the break. Star is a V.C. Andrews haunted house that’s torched to the ground by the girl who once lived there. In “Every Word,” she’s not bothered when a guy says he’s leaving. “More room for meeeeeee!,” as she fills an empty room with chairs she won’t let him sit on. In “White Belly,” she floats off, letting the tides take her to another shore. In the B-side “Sweet Ride,” she’s a blissed-out Persephone, junkie queen of the underworld. The woman carrying the slow (decomposing) dog on her back takes heart by knowing that once the corpse has rotted away, she’ll be free. Take your hat off, boy, as she says, when you’re talking to me.

Growing a Belly


Donelly had considered going out as a solo act but realized she needed to have another band as her armor. So: Belly (Donelly: “a womanly word, a lovely and an ugly word…a gross word, a cozy word, a centered word all at the same time “). It began as two once-Muses, Donelly and bassist Fred Abong. She needed another guitarist and a drummer, originally just to make an album (she’d decided to cut it in Nashville) and promote it.

As the Muses always went back to their hometown of Newport, that’s where Donelly found two brothers she’d known from high school, with whom she made an informal agreement over drinks one night.


Tom Gorman, shot by Chris Gorman for the cover of Verbal Assault’s Trial, 1987

Chris Gorman and Tom Gorman were born within a year of each other (Tom was the same age as Donelly, Chris a year younger). Their family moved regularly: by the time they were in high school in Newport, the Gormans had been through eight school systems. “The first time I felt grounded, like I fit in and belonged, was when I found punk rock,” Chris told Billboard in 2018.

The brothers were in the hardcore band Verbal Assault, most of whose members (like Hersh, Donelly, and the Muses’ David Narcizo) were alumni of Newport’s Rogers High. “The kids that didn’t kinda fit in—whether you were the punk kids, art rock, or whatever—because we all got beat up after high school together, we kind of formed a bond,” Verbal Assault’s singer Chris Jones told New Noise. “Because the city wasn’t that big, everybody kind of ended up hanging out together.”

In Chris, Donelly got a genial surfer/artist for a drummer. His looser style was a turn from her earlier, more manic drummers—marching-band-trained Narcizo and the Breeders’ Britt Walford. But he shared with them the ability to handle Donelly’s odd time signatures and song structures. (“I just come up with stuff to match the weird guitar parts,” he told Modern Drummer in 1995.)


Photo shoot for Melody Maker, with a worse-for-wear Brett Anderson, ca. late 1992-early 1993

For the weird guitar parts, she had Tom Gorman. “If there’s a song where there’s a “lead” break needed, then I usually play that,” he said in 1995. “But a lot of our songs don’t, and even if there is, it’s like, ‘two bars! There it is! Get in, get out!’ And if in doubt, abuse the instrument.”

Donelly, being a Throwing Muse, had grown up fashioning homemade chords on the guitar rather than having any sort of formal training. So while Belly songs on paper are often simple progressions of mostly major chords (the refrain of “Every Word” shifts between E-flat and E; “Feed the Tree” is mostly an I-IV song in G major ([G]”talkin’ to me/ [C9]”be there when I”), Donelly’s idea of, say, a G major chord wasn’t that of some guy at Guitar Center. She’d bring in different tones or undermine the root, giving her chords a “rakish timbre,” in an inspired phrase by DJ Kim, one of her dedicated tabbers. (One example is her playing on “The Bees,” where she’s often keeping two open strings ringing through her chords, and so turning a B major at times into something like a Badd9/F#.)

“Usually I have an idea for a melody line, and then I have to make the guitar do what’s in my head,” she said in 1995. “So actually the sound of the song comes first, and then I have to make the guitar do that thing. I know [the chords I play] are really simple ones, but there are a lot of chords that I invent, and I don’t know what they’re called. Usually some engineer has to tell me!” When she wrote on acoustic guitar, her songs were simpler, folkier; when she wrote on electric, “it’s less structured and more tonal.”

Tom had to find entry points. “We all fill in the holes of the others. Tanya’s guitar playing is really vocal, particularly her lead stuff,” he said. “She tends to come up with a line in her head, hums it, and then figures out where it is on the guitar. I’m more likely to start with the chords.” Take “Slow Dog,” where he hangs just behind the beat in the intro while Donelly plays the opening riff, until the two harmonize in the bars right before the verse starts.

Goodbye Squirrel


In Tanya, what a transformation!
How well she’d studied her new role!

Pushkin, Eugene Onegin

Much of Star was produced by Tracy Chisholm, an engineer who’d been recommended by 4AD’s Ivo Watts-Russell. But for the singles, Donelly went with the Pixies’ producer Gil Norton. “I liked Tracy’s southern, swampy, cool sound, but he was too mellow for us,” she told Aston. “I wanted someone I knew and trusted, and the Belly songs that Gil produced were the ones I knew he’d treat in a poppy way, and I wanted to make a pop album.”

One of Norton’s tracks was “Feed the Tree,” Belly’s one-hit-wonder (even if it wasn’t, quite). Lumped in with other mayfly Nineties alternate-rock hits, it’s become part of the parade with “Sex and Candy” and “Standing Outside a Broken Phone Booth With Money in My Hand,” “Closing Time” and “Tubthumping.”

Listening to “Feed the Tree” today, much of it sounds like a British indie rock song ca. 1989, with its clean lead guitar breaks and precisely-placed fills, its busker rhythm playing, modest drums, and a melodic hook close to one in the Jesus and Mary Chain’s “Head On” (compare “get my head offthe–ground” to Donelly’s later refrain phrasings of “feedthetree“). (She’d always been the most “4AD” of the Muses, to the point of dating Lush’s manager.) It was a last flowering in the waning era of the Sundays and the Lilac Time—part of a vestibule period that the critic Alfred Soto has called “the Poppy Bush Interzone,” in which the modern rock charts were a strange traffic where Richard Thompson and Elvis Costello mingled with Consolidated and Ned’s Atomic Dustbin.


Donelly triumphant, Sting still Modern Rock: Billboard, 6 March 1993

“Feed the Tree” is also a meticulously-constructed pop song, sounding as if Donelly had shone it up until it caught the sun from every angle. How the intro riff tightens whenever it moves to the home chord, or the time-shift (a bar of 2/4) to shuttle you to the next verse a breath faster. How she first sings the refrain quietly, giving it an airing but holding back on it until, after the second verse, she moves up in her range and lets her hooks ring out. “Take your HAT! OFF! when you’re talkin’ to me and be there when I feed the tree,” savoring the fifth-spanning leap of the last three words. Then she builds it out even more, singing her “I know all this and” pre-refrain hook three times before completing it, then getting caught up in her refrain until the fade.

On Star, where “Feed the Tree” was the second side’s opening track (for cassette buyers) or halfway-point peak (CDs), it bound the album together. Its first verse begins like a nursery rhyme. Again, it’s bad dreams and fairy-tale gore—an old man squeezes his broken heart upon the ground; a great tree grows from his blood. Its once-frightened-squirrel of a narrator has taken some tumbles but smiles to show her false teeth. And in the last verse (which Donelly didn’t have at the demo stage), the skinny, silver-toothed girl becomes the old man she once was, dancing around a monument to her former disasters, asking her new lover to stay with her until they put her in the ground. The woman is father to the man.


A year earlier, a year later, “Feed the Tree” might have gone nowhere or gotten the standard indie-rock modest airplay. But it came out in early 1993, the year of Liz Phair and PJ Harvey and L7, and it jumped on the radio (it helped that 4AD had hired a proper song plugger for once). Played six times a day on MTV, it was in tune with its springtime, an American counterpart to the Cranberries’ “Dreams” and “Linger.”

“Feed the Tree” made a band before it had settled into being one. Although its video was Belly in a stage-shift (a redheaded Donelly backed only by the Gormans), it would be their defining image.

Last Leg of the Chair


Abong left Belly before Star was released (another ex-Muse, Leslie Langston, subbed for him on a brief UK promo tour). “Fred and I were very close at that point, and we’d co-written a song [‘White Belly’] and I wanted us to write more,” Donelly told Aston. “I was amazed he’d walk away when it was obvious things were going upward. But he felt it wasn’t the lifestyle for him.”

So she found someone more comfortable with the lifestyle: another Rhode Islander, Barrington’s Gail Greenwood. It created gender parity in the band and gave their stage presence a jolt. Greenwood first made a stir in the British press by greeting a crowd at Manchester Academy with “you bunch of wankers!,” having mistakenly thought it a term of endearment.


Greenwood and Donelly had a rivalry, if a one-sided one, in the Eighties. Greenwood’s first band, The Dames, “were mortal enemies” of the Muses, she told The Face in 1995. “The Muses didn’t know that we existed because they were big stars. But oh The Dames knew that the Muses existed. We couldn’t understand the hype, we couldn’t understand their art…We accused them of babysitting for the music critic of the Providence Journal [as to] how they got their first show. We just could not give them the credit.”

Greenwood, fitness devotee and straight-edger, gave Belly an exuberant physicality in performance, holding her bass low and wielding it like a chainsaw, moving around the stage as if she was dunking basketballs. “A more benevolent Tank Girl,” as one YouTube fan said of her. Belly had finally cohered into a visual. The hub: Donelly, and Chris as the coolly smiling engine; Greenwood, the bouncing ball stage left; Tom, playing his leads in taciturn solitude stage right.

Newport Kids on the Town

Prom night with Belly (Daily Free Press, 25 March 1993)

In March 1993, Belly held a press conference at the M-80 in Boston to kick off their American tour and introduce Greenwood. The club, normally a “euro chic” sort of place favored by Saudi millionaires’ sons who in theory attended BU, was done up as a wedding reception in a banquet hall, with pink balloons, flower arrangements, and white tablecloths. The band wore identical white tuxedos with corsages pinned to their lapels. “It’s a contest to make us feel as uncomfortable as possible,” Donelly told the assembled journalists.

By then, “Feed the Tree” was deep in MTV’s Buzz Bin and the #1 Billboard Modern Rock song. As Belly started touring across the US, its crowds were shifting—not as many longtime Muses fans, more and more people who stood around waiting for them to do “Feed the Tree.”


Santa Monica, 16 April 1993

“Starting out, the audience felt very similar to us,” Chris recalled. “And then, as it gets bigger and it goes more mainstream, it seemed like our audience looked less and less like us.” There were more promoters, press agents, and label execs at Belly shows, more expense-account (that is, from Belly’s royalties) dinners.

They played Letterman, Glastonbury, Conan O’Brien and Jon Stewart (the MTV edition) and by the end of the tour were exhausted and barely talking to each other. A collection of Rhode Island acquaintances had been drilled into a unit who spent nearly every day together, but their roots weren’t proving deep enough to sustain them.

What You Get Is No Tomorrow


Belly’s success, along with the Breeders catching fire with “Cannonball,” marked the beginning of the end of Watts-Russell’s time with 4AD—in 1994, he’d have what Martin Aston described as a nervous breakdown and would sell his share of the label at the end of the decade. “Everything ballooned out for him,” Donelly said. One night in LA, she and Watts-Russell, who’d first known the Muses through hours-long phone conversations with a teenage Hersh in 1985, had a mutual freak-out about what was happening.

Having to be the face of a platinum-selling rock band, “I didn’t even know how to represent myself,” she said. “I didn’t understand why I had to do so many interviews either…schlepping from American radio station to station got to me. It felt like I had no ownership of myself, my art and my body.”


In the Muses, Hersh had been the main public voice. Sharp and frank, she was always ready to talk about her kids, her problems, who wasn’t paying her. Her step-sister wrote the catchier songs but was a far more private and guarded person. Belly’s manager Gary Smith, who’d known Donelly for a decade and whom she called one of her best friends, said in 1995 that he’d never seen her apartment.

Belly also hit at the peak of the post-Nirvana indie rock purism wars. “This is the number one college band in the country, is that right? Bigger even than the Ohio State band?” as  David Letterman introduced them in their first network TV appearance. Detractors like Henry Rollins reportedly said Belly hadn’t paid their dues (despite them having been in bands since their teens). They were knocked as sellouts, only popular because Donelly was pretty; they were called Throwing Muses watered down for mass consumption, like Cracker in relation to Camper Van Beethoven.

Then the music press began pitting Donelly and Juliana Hatfield against the riot grrrl bands (e.g., Volume Six, 1993: “The confidence [Donelly] displays with her guitar and her voice gives her an authority that bands like Huggy Bear will never know”). “I tried really hard not to engage in the attack posture [the riot grrrl scene] was taking against me, against Kristin, against at one point PJ Harvey. I mean, why??,” Donelly told Stacey Pavlick in 2013. “Those “gender traitor” accusations were getting leveled at us…Melody Maker was constantly quoting these women who were SO angry at other women.”

Belly felt under siege, forever debating where the no-go point was. This magazine photo shoot? This TV show? Is it okay for Tanya to do a Gap ad? Does “Slow Dog” need a single remix? Such angst might well be incomprehensible to a young person today, when the borders between indie and pop barely exist and song licensing is one of the few ways musicians can make any money. “That stuff fell by the wayside years ago, but back then people still obsessed over doing the right thing—no ads, no corporate sponsorship,” Donelly said to Aston. “We constantly and agonizingly soul-searched every decision.”


Semi-smiling faces on the cover of the Rolling Stone, April 1995 (Greenwood: “We all ended up in tears. The pictures were awful—they didn’t even airbrush them. I mean, I look at them and all I see is razor stubble.”)

Each photo and video shoot was a battle. The director of the “Feed the Tree” video wanted nude models in it. Rolling Stone would only put Belly on the cover if it was just Donelly or, later in negotiations, if the band dressed up as characters from The Wizard of Oz (they finally did appear as themselves).

Even the name of the band became a burden, as the inevitable photographer suggestion was for Donelly to wear a midriff-baring outfit. Seemingly every profile noted her as being “elfin” and she was leered at in print (last sentence of a 1993 Select feature: “There are lights on her eyes, on her mouth and on her breasts”). She unloaded a year later, when interviewed by Amy Raphael:

The way male journalists flirt every time I do an interview makes me never want to talk to anybody ever. That is a stumbling block; the only time in my life that I ever turn into a hermit, the only time in my life that I ever run into a strange feeling about myself, as a woman, is in the male journalist situation. That’s the time when I most feel like a girl. A little girl. This is the angle they use: ‘She’s small and looks like a child.’ I don’t even know what the fuck they get out of it. All I ever feel is minimized. As a person, because of my femaleness….The weird thing is, that if I think something went well, I’ll then read the piece and it’ll talk about how small my hands were, or how small and quiet my voice was.

The Stranger In Your Movie


Amidst this, Belly had to make a follow-up album. They chose the classic-rock-pedigreed Glyn Johns, who recommended Nassau’s Compass Point Studios, mostly because he had to work outside the US for visa reasons.

Johns and engineer Jack Joseph Puig wanted a “live in the studio” approach, with as few overdubs as possible (Chris Gorman later estimated only about ten percent of the album is overdubs). It was unnerving at first for a band who’d cut their debut in multiple studios, layering bed after bed of overdubs: tracks having a guitar part flown in from a session in Nashville, while the vocal was from one in England.

“I don’t know whether we’d quite reached the level of ability as a band or individually to be able to nail it that perfect,” Chris told Aquarium Drunkard. “I had really expected a guy that would certainly record the drum parts in a much more cut-and-paste way. I didn’t see myself as that mechanical drummer that can ‘Dave Grohl’ pull it off in a single take and walk away.”

To get the drums, Puig put two overhead mikes over the kit, a few mikes in metal cans and bottles near the kick drum, and some ambient mikes set around the studio. That was it, and it worked—the drums on King had more of a punch than those on Star: see “Puberty,” or the cycling kick-snare-toms patterns on “Seal My Fate.”


This Dogme 95-lite approach meant Belly had to nail down their songs during album rehearsals (in the less tropical environs of Middletown, Rhode Island, almost immediately after their tour ended). There were more collaborations—both Tom and Greenwood co-wrote music with Donelly. “Super-Connected” was originally titled “Surrender” because the band heard Greenwood channeling Cheap Trick; Tom had been listening to Italian film soundtracks, hence “Lil’ Ennio [Morricone]” (an outtake called “Big Ennio” was described as being “less an instrumental than a mentalinstro”).

Where Star was one writer honing songs over years, King songs were worked out on the floor. In structure, they’re rowdy negotiations and odd diversions; they tail off into unresolved arguments. Hooks land in unexpected places, bridges conquer the latter half of a song, riffs that could anchor a song only make cameo appearances. Take “Now They’ll Sleep,” with its rumbling, down-tempo intro, a verse that’s more hooky than the refrain, which in turn acts more like a bridge. How “King” changes its coat every thirty seconds. Or the wonderful “Red,” with its swooning 6/8 verses, broken by jump-cuts to pounding six-bar breaks (RED-RED-RED aaaahhh!). It diverts into a loopy extended bridge in standard time: it’s as if another, peppier song has come to visit. Then a jolt back for more verse/break standoffs, ending with one last RED RED RED.


Tom later said that he’s regretted at times how sparse King was (his piano on “Judas My Heart” is the only thing on the record that’s not guitar, bass, or drums)—that slower tracks like “Silverfish” might have been helped by strings. But having to scratch out tracks with just a grumbly bunch of old pedals and amps proved inspired. On “The Bees” he ran his guitar through a Rat pedal into “this sad little plywood Alamo amp which had been sitting there throughout the sessions. I plugged into it more out of sympathy than anything.” The lead lines in “Now They’ll Sleep” and “Seal My Fate” are a Boss tremolo pedal jacked into a distorted amp; the opening arpeggiated riff of “Silverfish” came via an ancient stomp box that plugged into the wall. It said “chorus” on it, he recalled, “but it doesn’t sound like a chorus.”

His and Donelly’s guitar interplay grew more intensely conversational—take the two lines that open “Super-Connected,” one distorted modestly, the other transmogrified. How the lead guitar doubles the rhythm, quietly and hazily, in the verses of “Lil’ Ennio,” or the jabbing dance of Gorman’s fills with Donelly’s chunky rhythm figures in “Now They’ll Sleep” and especially “Untitled and Unsung,” where the band even swings.

These were their only conversations by this point. Band politics were the guitarists not talking, the rhythm section at loggerheads and, to cap it off, two brothers with usual sibling issues. At times only half of Belly could be in the studio together. But despite this, maybe because of this, King is a document of a band, of four people in a room facing off, willing these songs into life. “Belly’s sound is created completely by all of our impulses,” Tom told Pulse in 1995. “Because we’re not smart enough or good enough to think about it too much. We just have to do whatever we can get away with.”

In the heyday of “alternative” waxworks like Bush’s Sixteen Stone, Belly made a record with blood in it, having the sort of mix the label usually calls “lively” and then looks around for someone to clean it up. “Donelly’s voice cracks. Chris Gorman’s drums threaten to fall apart on “Seal My Fate” and “Silverfish.” Gail Greenwood hardly gets on a one in 45 minutes. Real-time fader and pan-pot moves are plainly audible,” wrote Ross Palmer, in an appreciation of King in 2016. “It sounds great. I wouldn’t want to hear it mixed any other way.”


Coronation for Vox, 1995 (Barry Marsden)

In her lyrics, Donelly picked up on how the tracks had diverged from the sound of Star: that she was, in essence, writing for a new band. Her Star motifs are still there—sleeping, backs, moons, dogs, dresses, hearts, waters—but her narrative voice is pricklier and funnier (“now I make you pray like there’s a god!” or “there’s a lady who walks everywhere on her hands/ doesn’t trust where her feet want to take her”). She knocks a precious indie rock diva and backs kids against their tedious parents (“Red,” in which a kid dreams of being abducted by aliens, was in part about how kids “feel more like visitors than participants in their households, because they’re not treated as humans, you know, not allowed to speak,” she said.)

Her singing was more ambitious—she’s pushing to the top of her range, even doing some Kate Bush-style phrasing (there’s a touch of “Wuthering Heights” in “Lil’ Ennio”), and her slightest alterations in emphases can make her words sting (how she changes, on its second go-round, “keep what’s mine for me” in “Seal My Fate“). Where Star was a map of a hermetic, almost Gothic imagination (“a projection of my self-protection, I was laying things in analogue so I could protect myself from the truth,” she said years later), King opens up a sealed house to the world. Childhood’s end: a suspicious mind allowing for the promise of connecting at last. He knows the shape her breath will take before she lets it out (“John Dark,” a snarling B-side, is a disastrous alternate end to the story.)

So, “King,” her greatest lust song. A strange and furious pair, a faith healer taming a little bird (“I won’t prey on you…this time”), it’s the voice of “Feed the Tree” again, a woman who’s crowned a man finally worthy of her; she’s plucked him from the soil like a healthy-looking shoot. How Donelly sings “there is a light under the OH-shun” in anticipation (even the guitar solo sounds coital), and then she shakes it down: Baby I can’t fake it, I’d like to see you naked, at last just chanting NAY-KED NAY-KED. What else is there to say, really?

Now, I’ve Lost the Plot

Playing “Super Connected” on MTV’s Most Wanted, 1995

King, released on Valentine’s Day 1995, was supposed to be their consolidation hit. In a Christmas 1994 Billboard preview, Warner/Reprise product manager Geoffrey Weiss said he expected the record to go platinum “at least” and, expecting heavy radio/MTV support for “Now We’ll Sleep,” that King was set to move 50,000 copies in its first week of release, or ten times what Star had done in the same period.

Instead King stayed on the shelves. Maybe “Now We’ll Sleep” was a poor choice for first single (the more pointed “Super-Connected” or the title track might have hit harder). Maybe the album was too spiky for 1995 alternative rock radio; Watts-Russell would later blame Johns and Puig, saying Donelly’s voice was mixed too high. Or maybe “Feed the Tree” had been a fluke in a season of flukes.

Nor can you discount the caps many rock stations had on female artists: if, say, Paula Cole was already in heavy rotation, Belly could be out of luck. “You can’t play two women back-to-back on the radio,” as Jewel recalled being a standard explanation (“We’re already playing Sheryl Crow, so we can’t play you,” as per Lisa Loeb.)

Whatever the reasons, “Now We’ll Sleep” stalled out at #17 on the Billboard Modern Rock chart, “Super-Connected” at #35, and King itself at #57 on the Billboard 200 (though it did crack the UK Top 10).

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The band toured King through most of 1995, opening for REM in a summer tour, and wound up selling 350,000 copies in the US. What would have been a bravado performance for Throwing Muses’ House Tornado was a flop in the age of platinum alternative.

It felt as if windows opened in the early Nineties were closing—it was back to boys with guitars, and increasingly dull boys. As Okkervil River’s Will Sheff said to Aquarium Drunkard, Belly was a path not taken by alternative rock in the late Nineties: “melodic, curious, feminine, imbued with magic. Really, it’s the place the genre should have gone, instead of being hijacked by a bunch of macho knuckleheads who ended up steering the entire genre into a ditch and making us all feel like we’d been had.”

The Sea Does What It Oughtta and Soon There’s Salty Water


On 11 November 1995, Belly headlined at the Dragonfly in LA. It was the end of the tour, and of them: the band wouldn’t work together again for two decades. Sitting by a pool at the after-party, Donelly said hi to a passing raccoon and wound up covered in blood and spit, requiring her to get multiple rabies shots. As this was like a lost verse from Star, it seems symbolically appropriate, if utterly awful.

She’s emphasized over the years that King‘s relative commercial failure wasn’t the problem—that even had the album sold like gangbusters, the band still would have fallen apart. Inter-band tensions, the long silences and sudden arguments, had become toxic (she wrote “Swoon” in Belly’s last months: “there’s always a green door/ and green gets you out”). And as her manager and 4AD had considered Belly to be essentially Tanya-plus-three, they were fine with rebooting her as a solo performer.

“Every band has a lifespan. Ours was oddly short. It just kind of imploded,” she said in 1996. “It wasn’t my decision alone, but I can’t say that I did anything to stop the end coming…I don’t know that band democracies necessarily work. I’d rather it be more clear-cut. Have contracts, have it be, ‘This is the amount of time you’re expected to do this.’ Not leave it open-ended, or pretending we’re all going to form this beautiful musical community and everybody’s going to have a fair share.”

At age 31, she broke down her professional life for the NME:

Phase one: Throwing Muses—hair in the face, guitar playing. Everything back then made me vomit. Phase two: The Breeders—more of a side-project. A very, very tipsy pyjama party. Phase three: Belly—my stab at collaboration, ’nuff said. Phase four: solo—more of a decision borne of defeat than a desire to have my name everywhere. But now I’ve done it, it’s been really liberating and calming. I’m not a good team player. I like to think I am, but I’m not. And I’m not a good boss.

One of the last tracks that Belly released (on the “Seal My Fate” single) was a cover of Harry Nilsson’s “Think About Your Troubles.” Nilsson wrote it for The Point, a 1971 cartoon treasured by hippie kid Donelly. It’s a waking up to the knowledge, realizing the world has far bigger problems than yours, and that you’re part of it, one tiny teardrop in a sea of pain and renewal. Sit down, pour a cup of tea, watch the bubbles form, wonder where they go when they break.

Donelly sings with less assurance than Nilsson. She starts out as if she’s been disturbed, takes the verses faster, gives the lines harsher phrasings. It’s a raw-sounding recording—electric guitar plucks in lieu of pizzicato strings, surly drums, the harmonies (always so lushly intricate in Nilsson recordings) at times nearly discordant, with one Donelly grumbling beneath the other or breaking in as if blasting from a radio speaker. There’s no acceptance here: the world’s a mess, drop your cup in the sink.

“It’s a strange thing,” she once said. “My hands want to play pop songs and my head is attracted to despair.”



What happened to all the bands? Is it just that bands are corny now?

Rostam Batmanglij, 2016

“I’ve given up trying to figure out what the music industry is about,” Donelly said in 1997, when her first solo album, Lovesongs For Underdogs, was selling less than King had. “There were high hopes around 4AD and Sire, which I’m trying to stay away from! People need to have high hopes to get through the process, but in my own heart, I have to keep an even keel. I don’t want to make records to try and maintain a momentum; whichever way the wind blows this time, I’ll be OK.”

She kept on through the 2000s—Whiskey Tango Ghosts (2004), a loud wartime record, was among her strongest. A gorgeous rumination on George Harrison’s “Long Long Long,” cut live at a Vermont hotel for her last solo release, This Hungry Life, for a time hinted at the close of an artistic life, as did a series of digital-only collaborations called, collectively, Swan Song. After having a second child, she mostly stopped performing and recording for a few years, became a post-partum doula.

Greenwood joined L7 in the late Nineties, played in Bif Naked and with Benny Sizzler (she co-founded the latter), and became an anti-sprawl activist. And the Gormans founded a photography studio in 1999 (Chris already had worked with Vaughan Oliver on Belly’s album art).


Taking five at Greenwood’s house in Rhode Island, 2018 (Tony Luong, NYT)

Asked about a Belly reunion in 2010, Donelly said “there would have to be a lot of therapy before it…there’s still too much unresolved stuff.” But it turned out to be easy—a group email became a conversation, led to a meeting, led to a tour in 2016. Four new songs were written for the tour, which were slated for an EP, which became a full album, Dove.

“This sounds insane, but we didn’t have one conversation about what we wanted this album to sound like, we just started writing,” she told the New York Times last year. It was a Northeast Corridor collaboration, done mostly via broadband—Greenwood and Chris in Rhode Island, Tom in upstate New York, Donelly in the Boston suburbs.

Dove reminds me of the reunion Breeders’ All Nerve—it sounds like a band who’s picked up right where they left off twenty-some years ago, after everyone’s aired some bad blood over coffee in the break room. Much of it’s respectable “classic” rock but some of it sounds restless, unsettled—it’s a band looking to stake a claim again. See “Human Child,” Donelly going back to Yeats twenty-five years after “Full Moon, Empty Heart,” or her eerie take on a Chitty Chitty Bang Bang song, “Hushabye Mountain” (who knows why it was left off the album). And “Shiny One,” a true quartet piece (Donelly: “Gail set the chorus. Chris came up with an amazing drum loop, which informed the rest of the song. Tom wrote the chords and sent them to me”) that they make into a modest epic.

“We’re managing ourselves, and we’re doing everything in house—the graphics, the design of the merch, all the administrative stuff,” she told Brett Milano in 2016. “The other day I told Tom that we need to start rehearsing for these shows, and he said, ‘wait, you mean we’re musicians, too?'”

In the 2010s, as the rock band fell out of favor among the young, seemingly all the old indie bands reformed. The four quartets of this cycle—the Muses, the Pixies, the Breeders, Belly—are now touring, recording, self-producing, self-managing, self-issuing. After the squabbles, thwarted ambitions and now-obscure grudges, having all gone through the wringer, having each broken up with the old century, they’ve become a cottage industry in the new one. It’s a rare bright note for capitalism. Who knows, they may be the last of their line: Hersh, Thompson, Deal, Donelly, and everyone whom they traveled with. And here we leave them.

2(b). The Breeders

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Dudes to the back: The Breeders play for Snub TV while making Pod in Edinburgh, January 1990

As origin stories go, it’s a good one. Tanya Donelly and Kim Deal are drunk at a Boston club one night, dancing to music playing before the Sugarcubes come on, and decide to make a disco record.

On the Throwing Muses/Pixies tour in spring 1988, Deal and Donelly “were the girls,” Kristin Hersh recalled in the Pixies’ Fool the World oral history. “Leslie [Langston] and I were the vegetarians, they were the girls, the other ones were the boys.” For Donelly, whose social life had greatly consisted of playing rock clubs with her step-sister [see Quartet No. 2], Deal’s friendship was a new adolescence. “I never had girlfriends like her in high school,” she said (Deal had been a cheerleader and on the gymnastics team). “She was my first ‘I’m gonna braid your hair!’ kind of friend.”

Each second place in their respective bands, Deal and Donelly mulled ideas for a solo project, possibly using the two Dave drummers (Narcizo and Lovering). Their “disco queens” concept went as far as working in a rehearsal space, trying to cover the likes of “Tell Me Something Good.”

“We sucked at it,” Donelly told Spin in 2004. “We didn’t have the funk. We were thinking, we’ll have this organic dance band—no machines, no loops, just guitar and drums. It was dumb. So we decided to have a regular old band.”

Not Quite a Regular Old Band: Classes of Breeders

Here are the Breeders, a band whose sole constant is Kim Deal:


The First Breeders: ca. 1978-1982. In Dayton, Ohio, teenage Kim and Kelley Deal play around town and record songs in their home studio.


Arty Breeders (aka “the Tanya Breeders”): ca. late 1988-spring 1992. From the first Tanya Donelly/Kim Deal rehearsals through Pod (1990) and the Safari EP (1992). Donelly and Deal are joined by Josephine Wiggs (bass, late of the Perfect Disaster) and Britt Walford (drums, Slint). A mayfly-lived quintet expansion with Kelley Deal is documented on the “Safari” video and a few photo shoots.


(Kevin Westenberg, 1993)

Pop Breeders (aka “the ‘Cannonball’ Breeders”): summer 1992-late 1994. Kelley replaces Donelly; the band gets a new drummer, Jim Macpherson (his name about as often spelled with a capital P). The Breeders as remembered by most, with their platinum-certified Last Splash, their MTV hit single, and their 1994 Lollapalooza stint. It ends messily.


Chaotic Breeders (aka “the Amps Breeders”): 1995-1999. Period of strife, with various members quitting or in rehab. Many fruitless recording sessions. The only album of this era is the Amps’ Pacer (1995), cut by the Dayton-based quartet of Kim Deal, Macpherson, Luis Lerma and Nate Farley: a Breeders record under an assumed name.


Recovery Breeders (aka “The West Coast Breeders”): 2000-2010. Years of sporadic sessions with the Deals, drummer José Medeles, bassist Mando Lopez and guitarist Richard Presley result in Title TK (2002) and an appearance on Buffy the Vampire Slayer (starts 18:00 in). Presley leaves, restoring the Breeders to their proper quartet state. More sporadic sessions yield Mountain Battles (2008) and Fate to Fatal (2009). This incarnation’s last bow is ATP New York in September 2010.


(Marisa Gesualdi, 2018)

Reunion Breeders: 2013-present. Pop Breeders, together again (All Nerve, 2018).

Treehouse Plans: The Deal Sisters


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Kim and Kelley Deal are identical twins, born in Dayton in 1961. Their parents were from West Virginia, where their father had mined coal in his youth (“my brother’s the only male Deal that never worked in a mine,” Kim said in 2004. “My father doesn’t have his front teeth from a hammer ricocheting off the side of a mountain.”) Like many white working-class families in mid-century America, the Deals prospered via suburbia, the GI Bill, and the Cold War: Robert “Ed” Deal became director of mission avionics at the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base’s aeronautical laboratory.

Growing up in Huber Heights, a newly-made Dayton suburb (“America’s Largest Community of Brick Homes”), the Deal sisters were popular, athletic, accomplished at school, and bored. “Just poring over the record collection,” Kim said of her teenage years. “Smoking pot. Snowing, constantly snowing, and doing drugs.” The sisters loved music—Kim was an adept guitarist by her early teens—but learned “no guy would play with us in a band,” Kim said in Fool the World. “It was uncool to have a chick in the band.” All that female musicians were good for in Dayton at the time, she said, was to sing “Hit Me With Your Best Shot,” then gaze at the lead guitarist for the rest of the gig. “We didn’t know there was indie rock. It was just spandex here.”


Reeling in the year: the Deals’ senior (1979) yearbook at Wayne High (Huber Heights, OH)

So they built their own scene. By 1978, they had a home studio with a mixing board and an eight-track recorder. Kim even spliced the electrical cords. They played open mikes, biker bars, the Ground Round, truck stops: Kim on acoustic guitar; she and Kelley harmonizing on Hank Williams (“I Can’t Help It”), Neil Young, and Little Feat songs. Among their originals was one called “Do You Love Me Now?

“These tough big macho biker guys…you could make them cry. You really could,” Kim recalled in 1993. “It’s a lot different to college-age-type kids who just think ‘there’s no fuckin’ way we’re going to sit around listening to this shit.'” They played under the name “The Breeders.” Kim had heard it was gay male slang for heterosexuals. “It’s like ‘yeucch! they’re breeders!,’ like a ripe, stinky thing,” she told Melody Maker. “It could also be men’s attitude towards women, and women about themselves.”

She thought of going to Nashville to be a songwriter; Kelley became a systems analyst for a defense contractor. Kim met John Murphy, a Massachusetts native working at Wright-Patterson. They married, she moved back to Boston with him, got a job in a doctor’s office, answered a “bassist wanted” ad in the Boston Phoenix [see Quartet 2(a)].

Once she’d joined the Pixies (originally billed as “Mrs. John Murphy”), she and Charles Thompson split the air fare for Kelley to come to Boston to audition as the band’s drummer. Kelley turned the Pixies down, later saying that she’d only ever wanted to be in Kim’s group.



Donelly in Hollywood, April 1989 (KH Archives)

During late 1988, Donelly and Deal hung out at the latter’s house in Boston and worked on songs. Carrie Bradley, a violinist and singer in the Boston alt-folk band Ed’s Redeeming Qualities, got involved. As did the latter band’s manager and Deal/Murphy friend, Ray Halliday, who played bass and co-wrote a few pieces (“Doe,” “Glorious.”) “Kim is a perfectionist, so she redid some of his parts,” her now-ex-husband Murphy said.

Using various drummers, Deal and Donelly demoed most of what became Pod, including “Only in 3’s“, “Doe” and “Lime House,” along with “Silver” (soon recorded by the Pixies on Doolittle), “You Always Hang Around” (later turned into “Divine Hammer”) and a song that would appear on Last Splash: a cover of Ed’s Redeeming Qualities‘ “Drivin’ on 9.” 4AD’s Ivo Watts-Russell, entranced by the demos, gave Deal and Donelly $11,000 to make a record.

Label politics meant a compromise. The first Breeders album would be Deal’s songs; the second would be Donelly’s. The American debut of the Arty Breeders was a single show at the Rat in Kenmore Square, on a date that no one seems able to recall (winter 1989? spring 1990?). “It was billed in the Phoenix as a Boston girl supergroup,” Murphy said in Fool the World. As there’s no footage of the performance, it’s as legendary an evening as the one Donelly and Deal dreamed up a group together.

When Iris Sleeps Over


Rehearsed near London and recorded in Edinburgh, Pod was made in three weeks in January 1990. It was a sleepover of a session—Donelly, Deal, and Josephine Wiggs often wore their Marks & Spencer pajamas while tracking and mixing. Deal compared it to summer camp, or rather “winter camp in Edinburgh, winter camp for a collection of losers.”

She’d met Wiggs not long before. Wiggs’ father was a British environmental activist who founded the Anti-Concorde Project; the Wiggses lived in Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, in the then-dilapidated Fairfield House, which had fourteen bedrooms and reportedly a library that contained every edition of the Guardian and Times issued since the mid-Sixties. “Whenever you go there, it’s really hard to leave,” Wiggs told Rolling Stone in 1994. “It’s got this Twilight Zone feeling about it.”

As a child, she learned cello. As a teenager, she went to her local in Baldock wearing a red-lined Dracula cape (a period (much) later honored in “MetaGoth”). Upon getting a masters in continental philosophy, she joined the Perfect Disaster, who opened for the Pixies in London in 1988. After a Pixies gig in Frankfurt the following summer, Deal asked Wiggs for a lift, only to realize she didn’t know where she was staying. Deal had to return to the bar and reassemble shreds of a napkin upon which she’d written her hotel’s name. Helping to achieve this feat, Wiggs was in.

In the Breeders, she was an ambassador of eccentric order; her basslines are an elegant, firm subscript. In band photographs and videos, she has the expression of Tenniel’s Alice when encountering a talking chess piece. “She lives by strict codes,” Rolling Stone‘s Karen Schoemer wrote of her in 1994. “It is said about her that if she is driving a car and she winds up in the right-hand turn lane, she will turn right, no matter which direction she would rather be going.” Wiggs photographs wild mushrooms wherever she travels, reportedly has never eaten meat in her life, and came out as a lesbian in the mid-Nineties. When visiting Dayton, she often stayed with the Deals’ parents, to whom she related more than their daughters. She is, and always has been, the coolest member of the band.


Wiggs, in a quartet that won’t be part of this series: cycle’s gotta end at some point

To produce, Deal picked Steve Albini (she only had phone numbers of producers she’d worked with in the Pixies). Wiggs thought he got the nod “because Kim needed someone to fight with.” She was impressed with the American efficiency of these fights. Albini and Deal would yell at each other for five minutes, then quietly work on a take together. Albini would tell Donelly she didn’t need to do another overdub, she’d stomp upstairs hollering that she couldn’t live with such a lousy guitar part, and by the next morning she’d usually agree with him.

Deal saw in Albini someone who, despite the occasional abrasive moment (like telling Donelly “if he drank my bathwater, he’d probably piss rosewater,” the latter recalled), hadn’t condescended to her while making Surfer Rosa and could get the sounds that she had in her head, which she thought the demos had failed to do.

The drummer was his suggestion: Britt Walford, from Louisville, Kentucky, who was in college at the time. Only nineteen, Walford already had played in Squirrel Bait and cut an album with his friends in Slint. His time in the Breeders was akin to a witness protection program, with Walford billing himself as “Shannon Doughton” (and later, “Mike Hunt”) and appearing in few band photographs.

“The songs weren’t finished when I joined the band,” Walford told Modern Drummer. “We all kind of worked by consensus, so it made things pared down a lot. If one person didn’t like one thing, it was gone.” Wiggs later recalled Walford having a “self-assuredness that comes only with youth. He was an authoritative, hard-hitting drummer and so behind the beat you almost felt like it belonged in the last bar.”


A rare Walford sighting in the Breeders, 1992

Albini’s Pod mixes are vast, darkened rooms in which a handful of instruments work against each other. Foremost, Walford’s gargantuan-sounding kick and snare (on the debut Slint album, he’d asked Albini to “make the bass drum sound like a ham being slapped by a catcher’s mitt.”) The secret, Deal said, was that “there’s so much empty space for the drums to ring out. Poor Dave [Grohl, on In Utero] had all these guitars and bass playing all the way through.” The rest of the cast is Deal’s distorted acoustic guitar, Wiggs’ sloping basslines that could at times pass for guitar figures, the occasional violin, and Donelly’s leads, which she often ended on a note or chord that, to Wiggs, sounded as if she was asking a question. Some ideas came from Joe Harvard’s demo remixes, such as putting Deal’s vocals in “Lime House” through a Scholz Rockman “for a compressed, chorused fuzzbox effect, then running it through a noise gate to be triggered during certain sections,” as Harvard wrote.

The First Breeders had been a two-part harmony act, and Deal had a strong co-vocalist in Donelly, but Pod wasn’t a harmonies album. Albini hated intricate vocals and thought the album worked better with Deal’s single- or double-tracked voice. Comparing the demo “Only in 3’s” to its Pod version finds Donelly diminished in a song she co-wrote. (Instead Pod is Donelly’s development as a lead guitarist: the high-pitched repeating figure in “Glorious,” the power chording in “When I Was a Painter.”)

Many Pod tracks are more languid than their demo versions. They’re cleaner, more raw-sounding (when Deal’s voice breaks in “Oh!,” it’s like a saxophonist bruising a high note), and usually go at slower tempos. It’s as if the Breeders are working towards a proper take that never appears, so the songs remain these great unincorporated territories.


The only record of the Breeders’ debut in London, with Albini lurking around like John Wilkes Booth (NME, 27 January 1990)

Pod was cut so efficiently (Wiggs: “if we made it through the song from beginning to end, that was the take which made it onto the record”) that there was time in Edinburgh for promotional bits: a John Peel session; a performance for Snub TV that’s the only video footage of them. After a brief coda in London, where they played live (reportedly twice, documented once), and despite a vague plan for a surprise set at Glastonbury that summer, that would be it. By the time Deal and Donelly promoted Pod in May 1990, they were in California working on the Pixies’ and Muses’ next albums.


Westenberg, 1990 (as with other Pod shots)

Deal narrates Pod (“a bunch of ugly, stinking gross songs”) in the smiling voice of someone telling a campfire ghost story: it’s her Night Gallery. In “Doe,” two schizophrenics on Thorazine run around setting fields ablaze, saying everything tastes salty and chanting the title word (“like Bambi,” Deal said in 1990). “Hellbound” is an aborted fetus that “lives despite the knives internal” (“it’s like a heavy metal hymnal—we’re all hellbound”); “Oh!” is from the perspective of insects being squashed; “Fortunately Gone” (a First Breeders “truck stop” song) has a girl in heaven yearning for her lover to die. “Iris” is a ripening ghost who comes to visit, perhaps forever (a play on a book from Deal’s childhood). In “Glorious,” a woman gets stoned on mushroom tea, leaving the windows of her house open to the rain and wind. “Lime House” is Deal as Sherlock Holmes, strung out in an opium den (“it’s about being in the warm dark place with pillows, daydreaming 24 hours a day.”) Lots of sex, too: the astral projection/wet dream of “Opened”; the ménage à trois in “Only in 3’s”; the sticky fluids of “Metal Man” (“that’s hot,” Wiggs deadpans).

Pod has the gauziness of quickly-fading dreams, a few sleep-crumbs left behind: it’s so salty Tammy!, robin flies again, on my own on Saturdays. It’s what Deal conveys in a harsh phoneme (hellbownd hellbownd, ow!er by ow!er!, I’m in a lime howse) or a wordless hook: ah-HAH-huh-huh, down-de-down-de-down, go!go!go!, the sighing “Oh!s” heard across the record. And the wonderful opening of “Doe”:

Trumpets:  DA DA   DA DA   DA DA DA

Not Girls Who Miss Much


Covering “Happiness Is a Warm Gun” was Watts-Russell’s idea. Deal was skeptical until she listened to the Beatles track and thought it was as dirty as the other songs she was cutting.

John Lennon once said of “Warm Gun” that it was “a sort of history of rock ‘n roll” he’d pieced together from bits. It’s a set of fetish objects: velvet hands; mirror-tipped boots for a creep’s upskirt viewing; a soap impression of his wife that a man swallows and shits out. The warm gun itself, worshiped like a girl in a Fifties song, a Peggy Sue or Donna with blood on their hands. Variations on hunger, abasement and death that rumble between, in one section, 9/8 and 10/8 time.

The Breeders don’t attempt the Beatles’ studio perfectionism (“Warm Gun” took the latter nearly a hundred takes to complete). They hold the song to its ugly promises, darkening its spots. Wiggs and Walford, a thrown-together rhythm section of general opposites, fuse into a colossus. And they scrap the ending. The Beatles had closed “Warm Gun” as a grotesque joke, Lennon reviving a mock doo-wop voice that went back to his art school days (see “You’ll Be Mine”). Instead Deal quietly sings “happiness is a warm gun” a few times, as if holding it to her chest. She’s gotten her fix; she’s still going down.


Donelly said of the Pod-era Breeders that “it was like this little capsule band, it had a beginning, a middle, and an end, at least this record…this perfect little episode.”

Pod was released five months into a decade that it would quietly influence. Kurt Cobain was in awe of it, calling Pod one of his all-time favorite albums (“it’s an epic that will never let you forget your ex-girlfriend.”) Courtney Love listened to Pod “24/7” while making Live Though This. It’s a key reason why Polly Harvey sought out Albini for Rid of Me. You hear it echo down through the years—in some of Lucy Dacus’ work, for instance.

Wiggs once said that when first hearing a band’s songs, she usually could guess what they’d been listening to and what they were trying to do with it. But the Pod songs surprised her. She could find no point of origin—she had no frame of reference for them. Deal’s songs on Pod seemed to have arrived, fully-formed, out of nowhere.

Off on Safari

Breeders honor the Sabbath on “Safari,” 1992.

As their Snub TV performance of “When I Was a Painter” winds down, Donelly moves towards the Marshall stack. She starts to boogie, enough for Deal to crack up. It’s their organic dance band at last.

“It made me feel like an individual musician,” Donelly told the Los Angeles Times of her work on Pod. “That I wasn’t just part of the Muses microcosm…I don’t get nervous anymore.” She left Throwing Muses after their spring 1991 tour. But although she and Deal demoed in Boston what was supposed to be the second Breeders album, Deal would stick with the Pixies for another year, touring most of the time. It was too long for Donelly to wait, so she moved on [see Quartet 2(c)].


The end of the Tanya Breeders is the Safari EP. Spacemen 3’s Jon Mattock was recruited to drum on the fantastic title track, which sounds in places like an early draft of “Cannonball” (Kim: “it’s about ookie boys…cry babies”; Donelly: “it’s mean and has a sexual element”). Safari was a transition piece, the mixes pushing up vocal harmonies and downplaying basslines. A cover of the Who’s “So Sad About Us” was a breakup song; a revival of the First Breeders’ “Do You Love Me Now?” a sign the band was, again, becoming a family affair.

Not that Kim, once she decided the Breeders would go full-time, gave up easily on Donelly. “She tried to coerce me and subtle and not-so-subtle ways to come back,” Donelly recalled in Fool the World. “One night, we were in Dayton and she locked us in the bathroom of this bar we were in.”


One of the Pop Breeders’ first gigs: Glastonbury, 26 June 1992

With Donelly and Walford gone, the Breeders were no longer a supergroup but a (mostly) Dayton-centered gang of misfits. Kim wanted her sister in the band. It took some convincing, as Kelley Deal is one of few who struggled with leaving their corporate job (“I had top secret clearance. I was a little bit sad to give it up”) to play in a rock group signed to a major label.

Once she was in, she went fully in. Kelley wanted to be on lead guitar, despite having never played before. The months before the first Breeders shows in summer 1992 found the band publicly wondering if she could achieve competence in time. “I asked her to play the drums, but she said no, she wants to be the fucking lead guitarist,” Kim said. “Josephine is like ‘isn’t it wonderful?…is she or is she not going to be able to do it?’ But it’s getting old, man. I just want her just to learn it and play.” (Wiggs in 2013: “I would say it took about twenty years, actually.”)

A decade later, Kim said she’d been lucky to have an anti-ace lead guitarist. “I would rather listen to a bad player than someone who plays stock blues riffs with flair,” she told the Guardian. “And Kelley is so musical. She creates new parts; most guitarists just repeat everything they’ve ever heard.” Kelley, recalling cutting the lap steel part for “No Aloha,” told Amanda Petrusich “do you know how patient they had to be? Any one of them could’ve done it so much faster than I was able to do it…[But] there’s something about somebody who doesn’t know. They don’t add any finesse, there’s no affectation to their playing.”

For a new drummer, Kim found Jim Macpherson, of Dayton’s Raging Mantras (he’d put flyers for their upcoming gigs in Kim’s mailbox). Macpherson was a wildly physical player, looking as if he was jogging in place while at the kit. “I can paradiddle [so] fast until my hands fall off!” he once said (like the Muses’ Narcizo, he was in drum corps in high school). He was so new to touring that Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic had to tell him what drum stage monitors were and that he was allowed to eat the food backstage. Having stripped his kit down to a five-piece, he locked in well with Wiggs, who found his timekeeping “impeccable”—see any Breeders performance of Aerosmith’s “Lord of the Thighs,” which Wiggs sings like a Martian empress.

In the Shade…In the Shade


It started out with me, I was borrowing my brother’s harmonica microphone and screaming at a Marshall amplifier. [Adopts grandma voice] Back in those days you just didn’t do that to get on the radio, son!

Kim Deal, to the AV Club, 2009

In January 1993, Kim was in a San Francisco studio when her sister came in to say she’d heard the Pixies had broken up. Kim shrugged and went back to working on a song she was calling “Grunggae,” a cocktail of grunge and reggae (the latter, she thought, was heard in the guitar accenting).

It became “Cannonball.” Three chords: two rotating in the verse, the third (an A-flat VII chord) to kick up the refrain (“can-non-ball“). A guitar riff to honor Black Sabbath (“I’m a metal girl from Ohio,” Kim once said). An intro of Kim singing through a bullet microphone that she’d plugged into her Marshall, making a shroud of feedback that sounded like a fax machine waking up. It was her attempt to sound like Gibby Haynes on Ministry’s “Jesus Built My Hotrod.”

And the bassline, in part inspired by Mick Allen’s work on Wolfgang Press tracks like “Louis XIV” (“warm and oozing, up and down the fretboard,” Deal said.) Wiggs has said she’s bemused by various “here’s how you play the ‘Cannonball’ bassline” videos on YouTube, because these instructors are usually wrong. Her opening slide is a mistake that she “corrects” the second time.


The error had happened during rehearsals in Dayton. “It had been a while since we had played together. And then when we came to play “Cannonball,” it’s a pretty big slide on the low E…and playing high on the neck of the bass is not something that one often does,” Wiggs told Consequence of Sound. “I had made a mistake about which note I was supposed to be sliding to. Because I’m playing on my own there, you can’t tell that it’s the wrong note.” Would-be “Cannonball” bassists also often miss that Wiggs used a pick, and did quick lift-offs and mutes to give her lines more snap.

“Cannonball” is an anticipation of a song, packed with noises: stray yells, Macpherson’s stick work, swirled harmonies, Kim’s Seagull S6 acoustic guitar routed through a Marshall JCM 900 (also done for “I Just Wanna Get Along” and other Last Splash tracks). “I don’t mind acoustic guitar when it’s fuzzed up—the low end can be really terrifying,” she said. “I kind of have a problem with clean acoustic sounds, like the Dan Fogelberg thing.” A pure single, “Cannonball” is a set of hooks offered wholesale, like the muted guitar fill answered by Macpherson’s drum fill (and, critically, these swap positions in a later refrain).

Kim’s lyric, mocking some would-be Marquis de Sade, is an excuse for a run of glorious phrasings: wissh-ing well; the pileup of hard gees in bong…reggae song; her and Kelley’s emphatic distinction between “in the shade” and “in the shade.” How Kim sings “last splash”—first, insouciant; later, with a blissed-out “lassssst splaaaassssh.” All building to her refrain hook, screamed through the bullet mike, this great locomotive of sound: WANT YOO KOO-KOO CAN NON BALL!


Breeders, ecstatic to attend the MTV Movie Awards, 1993

“Cannonball” peaked at 44 on the Billboard Hot 100, a ranking that diminishes how omnipresent it was by early 1994, thanks to a Spike Jonze/Kim Deal-directed video that aired every third hour on MTV (rolling cannon-bowling-ball, Kim underwater, funhouse shots of the Deal twins in multiple mirrors). Wiggs’ dentist, during a cleaning, said he recognized her from television.

And it fueled sales of Last Splash, which went platinum in June 1994. Cut over three months in two San Francisco studios, near-simultaneously (one for vocals and guitars, one for drums), Last Splash “was very anal, and I was very anal in how I produced it,” Kim told J. Eric Smith in 1997. “I wanted the production to sound like the hand of God just came down and flicked a bunch of the buttons. It was very headphone-oriented. I mean, all of the sudden in the middle of a song, the vocals would go like [makes a sound akin to a light saber cutting through a bleating sheep]. I wanted it to sound very manipulated like that, chimes, tapes, loops, whatever.”

One of the great stoner albums (commemorative reissues should come with rolling papers and loose seeds in the sleeves), Last Splash was the emergence of Kim Deal as stubborn studio perfectionist, one fixed to a limited spectrum. No string sections, few synths, no sound du jour. It’s more wanting a track like “Flipside” to sound like a thrice-overdubbed cassette. To make sure the drums walloped, that the guitars have teeth in them, that each track has something new in it or, rather, something old that’s been warped into novelty. The opening of “S.O.S.” is Kelley’s sewing machine miked through a Marshall. She wanted the lead guitar on “Mad Lucas” to sound as small as possible, so engineer Mark Freegard ran it through a tiny nine-volt battery-operated Tandy speaker, routed it through the board out to an Auratone speaker miked in the studio bathroom “and filtered that over again.”


Wiggs recalled the Deals spending a day battering a new cymbal to make it sound like an old cymbal (one idea was to throw it out of a window). They sang into open grand pianos (e.g., the intro of “Do You Love Me Now?”), in stairwells, hallways, bathrooms. Carrie Bradley said the master take of “Drivin’ on 9” only happened once the band got packed into a single room “all kind of sweating…pinned to our live stations like marionettes, like our own bittersweet concert.”

Last Splash was also the harmonies album Pod wasn’t. Kim and Kelley’s voices, though Kelley tended to take the higher harmonies, are similar enough in tone that their multi-tracked vocals sound at times like a single voice that’s been broken up and pieced together again.

Tipp City Limits


Pinkpop Festival, May 1994

You didn’t leave Dayton all winter?

Well, when I did leave it was just to go to Guided by Voices shows and that was frustrating too, seeing them. They’re in a band, they’re playing together, they’re having shows…We’re like, the bass player lives in England, Kelley may go to jail…

Kim Deal to Spin, 1995

The Breeders were now one of Elektra’s great “alternative” hopes. In Martin Aston’s 4AD history, Kim claimed Elektra and her manager pushed her to sign a contract that meant bigger advances (“like a couple of hundred thousand dollars for the next album”) but tied her to Elektra for longer. Watts-Russell compared the post-Nirvana years to the post-Easy Rider years in American film. Again corporations, startled by an unanticipated success and fearing they were missing some generational shift, threw sacks of dollars at anything remotely hip-seeming.

She stressed that the success of “Cannonball” was likely a one-shot. “I told them, ‘I might make a tuba record next, I’m from the Midwest, I’m just a normal person,'” she told Aston. “I didn’t want to present myself as a fraud, to take the money and then not make the record they wanted…I’ve tried, but I don’t have the killer spirit in me to generate chart sales for the sake of it.”


One sign to not expect “Cannonball II” was the sole Breeders release of 1994: a vinyl-only EP single (at a time when vinyl was near-extinct in record stores), Head to Toe. Its title track was co-written by Wiggs (as per Kim, it began “really slow and maudlin, in fuckin’ 7/17 time or something” [Wiggs: “6/8 time”] until Wiggs’ girlfriend Kate Schellenbach “put a hardcore beat to it and that suited us better.”). Other new tracks were Sebadoh and Guided By Voices covers.

It’s the one angle people have on the band. There’s no sex and violence in the Breeders, so I guess it’s got to be drugs. If it wasn’t that, you would be asking me how it feels to be a woman in rock.

Kim Deal, to the Guardian, 2002.

Some musicians use drugs and keep quiet about it. Others once did, are now sober, and now go on about it. And then there are those who say they use drugs and that, hey, it’s pretty fun.

The Deal sisters were of the latter bunch, admitting in a number of interviews that they’d been drinking, smoking pot, doing ecstasy, coke, opiates and God knows whatever else since they were teenagers. “Drugs have always been just an integral part of my life,” Kim told the NME in 1994. At her desk job, Kelley would show up to work still rocked on the ecstasy she’d taken the night before.

Once Kelley joined the band, she got a reputation as the Breeders’ Keith Richards (“Kelley is a rock ‘n roll animal,” Wiggs said. “She’s far more rock ‘n’ roll than all the rest of us”). In Dayton in November 1994, upon signing for a package that held more than three grams of heroin, Kelley was arrested. She pleaded guilty, underwent treatment in Minnesota in exchange for charges being dropped. After rehab, she stayed on in St. Paul (“I didn’t know anyone in Dayton who wasn’t always shit-faced”) and formed a new band, the Kelley Deal 6000.

Kim wouldn’t continue the Breeders without her sister, so she fashioned a new identity: Tammy Ampersand and the Amps, a band with Macpherson and other local musicians, guitarist Nate Farley and bassist Luis Lerma. The Amps’ album Pacer was “mostly a love song to Kelley,” Kim said. “I was feeling love, anger, worry, resentment, and grateful that nothing worse had happened.” (See “Dedicated” and “She’s a Girl,” among other tracks.)


Amps to Breeders: on Conan O’Brien, 1996

“Frankly, I was really struggling to deal with Kim’s lo-fi,” Watts-Russell said of Pacer. “I couldn’t tell if it was truly a demo or if it was the sound she was trying to pursue. It was alike to Syd Barrett: she’s got this unique language to making music, but I didn’t understand the story and I couldn’t give any input, except to be encouraging when she’d call.” Kim would send Watts-Russell one demo at a time, each cassette wrapped in a Polaroid. “I really did feel that I’d dropped the ball and the project lacked direction.”

Reeves Gabrels once said of Tin Machine that they took Michael Jackson money to make a Pixies album, which is a good way to piss off a record label. Now Kim took “Cannonball” money to make a strange, short, distortion-fogged album, recorded in six studios across the country and a seventh in Dublin, and which was marketed well beyond its ambitions: full-page ads, scads of in-store promo. I recall seeing stacks of Pacer cassettes and CDs during fall 1995, relatively few of which sold—reportedly around 25,000 copies.

Touring Pacer into early 1997, wanting some Breeders songs in the sets, and oddly concerned that Amps fans might be confused by this, Kim christened the band the new Breeders. Soon she hired Freegard to record the next Breeders album, to be made by the Amps and, when ready, Kelley. Wiggs, correctly sensing things were still unsettled on the Deal front, declined to take part.

Relocating to Battery Park City, the Amps Breeders started out at the Magic Shop, where Kim hated the drum sound. She went around Manhattan auditioning studios. Reportedly while at Avatar, she spent a full day working on a click track. An anonymous engineer told the New York Times in 2002 that Deal was consumed by ”all these technical hoodoo things that no one would ever hear or know—but that she heard in her head.”

As per engineer John Agnello, Deal and the now-revolving-door Breeders (one prospective drummer left after a half-hour) spent roughly $340,000 in recording costs in 1997. “Even after seven weeks, and a studio cost of two thousand dollars a day, we had nothing to hear,” Freegard told Aston. At one point Kim vanished for a week to Nantucket while the band was sitting around in the studio. “Kim got totally lost. She was taking substances and not wanting to go to bed, but she wouldn’t let the other musicians play. I had to give up on her.”

The band dropped off, one by one: Deal came downstairs in Dayton one day to find Macpherson’s drum kit gone. He said he thought Kim had changed, that the band no longer felt like the Amps, let alone the Breeders, and there was no place for him. He soon hooked up with Guided By Voices; he and Kim wouldn’t speak again until 2012.


Back to two: The Deals at Lounge Ax, Chicago, 11 July 1999.

1998 “was a lost year, and a lot of fun,” Kim recalled (it helped that, along with her advances, she’d gotten a boatload of cash from the Prodigy sampling “S.O.S.” on “Firestarter”). “I’d been touring consistently since 1987. So what was the worst that could happen?”

All that emerged from this era is a 7″ single issued by a Breeders zine and a James Gang cover used in a 1999 Mod Squad remake. For much of their audience, the Breeders had essentially disappeared after the summer of 1994. As with Elastica being stuck in limbo (for similar reasons), it added to a sense of dissipated potential in the last years of the last century. It was as though the late Nineties we got was a second-tier one, the one in which the understudies and opportunists took over.

Choppered Out Of Sea Life


“This doesn’t work because it’s a democracy. It works because we share enough of Kim’s vision.”

Wiggs, 1994

The revival of the Breeders starts with drums. Kim went home to Dayton and taught herself to play them.

She’s drumming on “The She,” “Forced to Drive” and “Too Alive,” the sisters-only tracks the Deals cut in 1999 (Kelley sang harmonies, played a little guitar and bass). It’s a performance that you can’t imagine her tolerating from another player. Her drumming is scrappy, clunky, ambitious; it has character. It reminds me of Paul McCartney’s drumming on his first solo album. A studio obsessive looks up to see no one left in the room except family, and has to start from square one. “I got used to/ nobody riding in the back,” she sings on “The She,” over a Farfisa drone.

She recorded the tracks at Steve Albini’s Electrical Audio in Chicago. “The sessions were slow, she wasn’t sober yet and she was basically rebuilding a lot of parts of her life simultaneously,” he told Uncut. She’d finally done something she felt worthy of releasing, but didn’t push on to make an album. The Breeders were a band, so she had to create them again.

One night in New York in March 2000, at the dive Motor City Bar on Ludlow Street, Kim met two members of the storied punk band Fear, guitarist Richard Presley (allegedly related to Elvis, and Hope Sandoval) and bassist Mando Lopez. She asked them at closing if they wanted to jam in a nearby rental space—they played until morning. Within months, Kim moved to Presley and Lopez’s home, East Los Angeles, where they recruited drummer José Medeles. Kelley was in East LA soon enough. Kim called Albini, said she had the new band.

Much of Title TK was recorded at a clip compared to the wilderness sessions of the late 1990s. It was a three-stage album: the 1999 “solo” tracks, the core set of pieces done at Albini’s studio (“London Song,” “Put on A Side,” “T and T,” “Off You” etc.) and tracks that emerged from full-band jams, one of which was cut in Hollywood (“Sinister Foxx”).

I Land to Sail


CMJ, 20 May 2002

Title TK was what she’d first wanted to call Last Splash; it was a sharper joke now. Here, at last, was the album that was always just about to appear, a scratched-out entry in various 4AD upcoming release lists.

Where Pod got instant cult-classic status and Last Splash sold enough to buy everyone in the band a house, Title TK appeared to modest, indifferent reviews and was soon forgotten (it didn’t crack the top 40 albums in the Pazz and Jop of 2002, didn’t make the Pitchfork Top 200 Albums of the 2000s nor Rolling Stone‘s, etc.). But it’s as strong a record as its predecessors, as aurally distinctive, as sharp and strange. The sound of a band being willed back to life, in a disjointed way.

Its move back towards the sparseness of Pod was part of Kim’s growing analog purism. “Digital production had burned through recording studios like crack,” she said to Aston. “Everyone was densely layering everything, making keyboards sound like guitars, and I’m so reactive…it’s more about drums and clean guitar. I worked really hard to keep it that hard and basic and people said it sounded unfinished!”

Albini dubbed it the “All Wave” philosophy, his parallel to the Dogme 95 movement in film. Everything done analog, from vocals to drums, with no digital manipulation, “through the entire production and mastering process, including mixing, editing, sequencing, post-production and…an all-analog direct-metal master for the vinyl LP version of the album.” (While I’m far from an audiophile, I think you miss something substantial if you hear Title TK via streaming instead of in its LP form.)


Title TK is a ferocious band being penned back, breaking through at times, getting erased. Guitar and bass blink in and out during “London Song,” and it takes nearly a minute for “Little Fury” to introduce them—until then, it’s Kim and Kelley’s stereo-split voices over Medeles’ drums. The guitar wedges its way in, winds up sulking by itself, gets cut off at a seemingly arbitrary moment. In “Put on A Side,” queasy verses are sung over Lopez’s upright bass figure, which slides up and down like the marker in a carnival game of strength. Guitar is heard in bursts and rumors. One drum roll, then nothing else.

It sounds as if little mistakes have been left in (see the synthesizer blurt in “Off You”) but as Title TK goes on, it’s more that the songs have clustered to life around these quirks. An album of absences, of potential, of empty squares and squiggled lines. It closes with the full band swinging from grunge instrumental straight into the single “Huffer.” The Breeders are finally here, now they’re gone again.

Then there’s “Off You,” among the most beautiful tracks Kim ever made. Built on acoustic guitar and upright bass, it’s a song of retreat and exile (possibly inspired by her going to ground in Nantucket during the chaotic 1997 sessions) but also a yearning for friendship and love, a determination to keep moving. She reaches her island only to sail away from it, tacking back to the mainland.

Come Home, Come Home


The late 2000s Breeders, at the annual Breeders convention

The Pixies reformed in 2004. For the rest of the decade, Kim alternated between her old band on the road and her other band in the studio, often in Dayton (she and Kelley had moved back once their mother was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s).

Mountain Battles, pieced together between Pixies tours, has some of the odder moments in the Breeders catalog: a reverent cover of Roberto Cantoral’s Mexican standard “Regalame Esta Noche“: a song about Istanbul done as a cheerleader chant; a track that the Deals sing in German. Its heart is the Kim/Kelley-centered songs: the mountain waltz “Here No More,” “We’re Gonna Rise,” and “Night of Joy,” a shadow piece with one of Kim’s eeriest vocals.

The 2009 EP Fate To Fatal was the Breeders’ first truly indie venture. One track was cut and mixed in two days; the Deals even pressed the records. “I don’t even know if music sells anymore, or that bands exist as they used to,” she told Aston. “People no longer look at a band, their life, their reality, the sub-culture they’ve created, as 40 minutes’ worth of their time. I don’t even know the value of music anymore.” She handed over one track for Mark Lanegan to sing.

A Happier Ending


Yes, it is true that I am not a Daytonian, Ohioan, nor even American, but I like to think of myself as an honorary denizen of Montgomery County. Oh the time I have spent there, often at Woodland Cemetery or in Patterson Park looking for mushrooms, awaiting the universal signal that rehearsals are about to start—a text that Kim is “at Starbucks.”

Wiggs’ “Dayton Diary,” 30 April 2015.

Ohio was flattened by the last recession. “All these little Main Street towns you’d go down, 35 miles per hour and a couple of stop lights? The towns are still there, but everything’s shut down,” Kim told Uncut in 2018, while Wiggs noted “all these awful decrepit strip malls, seventy percent empty but with a couple of incredibly sad businesses, a grim-looking sushi restaurant and maybe a taekwondo studio.”

Dayton went for Trump in 2016, by a sliver of a percentage. Since the early 2000s, its population has grown older and poorer. The Deals and Macpherson are still there, in houses near to each other’s, living in relative anonymity.

“If you heard that the Breeders were coming into town you [normally] would go, ‘Oh that’s that chick from the Pixies.’ But here they don’t do that,” Kim said of Dayton in 2009. “They’ve never heard of the Pixies, and they’ve never heard of the Breeders. So where I live, the fact that there’s a Pixies rejuvenation, how it affects the Breeders—none of that even exists.”


Ben Rayner, 2018

The Pop Breeders reunited due to an anniversary—Last Splash hitting twenty in 2013. The Deals and Wiggs had never fallen out. While she found it weird to hear the “West Coast Breeders,” she played with the Deals at a 4AD anniversary show in 2005 and, marvelously, wrote the press release for Mountain Battles. As for Macpherson and Kim, each had thought the other hated them until “the minute I saw Jim, I said ‘Jim, I’m so sorry,’ and he said, ‘No, Kim, I’m so sorry.’ And to this day we still don’t know what happened,” she said last year.

One day in Wales in spring 2013, Kim recorded with the Pixies, paid for dinner, and told them she was done. She’s never gone into why she quit. Perhaps it was her deciding that if she was making a reunion album, it would be her band’s. As Kelley once said, “when people were talking about the Breeders being a one-off, I was like, no, actually, that is her. The Pixies are a side project.”

The Reunion Breeders tours have been “a chance to replace the memory of how the Breeders ended so oddly. It’s a much happier ending this time,” Wiggs told Aston. It was her and Kim singing “Metal Man” for the first time in twenty years. It’s “Cannonball,” more disheveled than ever. Even Donelly showed up, joining in on “Happiness Is a Warm Gun” one night in Boston.

All Nerve, the album they recorded in the mid-2010s in a few of the surviving analog studios in the US, is on the same second tier as Mountain Battles. That’s not to knock these records, more a testament to how imposing the peaks of the Breeders catalog are. A tight thirty-four minutes, complete with an Amon Düül cover, All Nerve is best savored in moments—Macpherson’s snare figures on “Walking With a Killer” and “Archangel Thunderbird,” Wiggs on “SuperGoth,” Kelley’s lead playing, Kim’s voice, hardened by time, still infused with a private delight. It’s the Breeders sounding like themselves and that’s a fine thing, as the Breeders are fun and lovely and strange.


Gesualdi, 2018

“The one thing that remains constant is [Kim’s] absolute persistence in trying to achieve the sound in her head,” Albini once said. “She is always aiming for something, and it’s often something nobody but her would recognize.”

In 1994, she was talking about “Divine Hammer” to Rolling Stone.

It’s mainly about looking for something so hard through your life that people said was there. When I grew up and went to Sunday school, they said that it was going to be really great, and God is love, and God is good. I believed everything everybody told me. And that’s why I’m so pissed off now…I believed all that stupid shit about marriage and everything. And then to find out, oh my God, marriage is just a lineage tracing system. It’s like ‘Goddamn it! You mean I saved my virginity for that shit?’ Or tried to? It was important to me, you know? The racking guilt of not saving yourself for marriage. And then you find out that it’s a crock of shit…I just thought it was gonna be better. Just…life. I thought it was gonna be better.

She’d later cringe about this, say she’d felt pressed to divulge “some deep stuff.” But her work with the Breeders reckons with this disillusion. If the world as you were taught it is a con, the way to something of actual value is to make it. Don’t look for it in some guy on stage, she said. Not the dudes in spandex or the snobby hardcore boys or the drips with their acoustics (“watch out for anybody who has an Ovation guitar,” Kim warned in 2008. “That’s your clue that something bad is about to happen“).

“I think rock is more within and you have to bring it out of yourself,” she told Charles Aaron in 1995. “The music is within and the love for it is from within, not without.”

The Breeders are desperately bored teenagers in Dayton. The Breeders are second fiddles in Boston who need something of their own. They’re in every corner of MTV, they blow a small fortune in New York, they hide out in East LA. They are mostly four, sometimes five, eternally two. They’re the neighbors. “Music is all we do, when we’re in Ohio,” Kim said. “Jim works and comes over almost every night of the week. We do this all the time.”

In the past quarter century, she could have released albums under her name (in the mid-2010s, she put out 7″ indie singles as such). She’s Kim Deal, after all! Songs are named after her. But her music has “The Breeders” on the spine and the label.

“I like bands, I don’t know why,” she said last year. “I romanticize them. I’ve always just wanted to be in a band.”


“The Breeders AMA” on Reddit, 2018


2(a). The Pixies

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Four Muses + four Pixies take Europe, Melody Maker, 7 May 1988

Throwing Muses and the Pixies: both New England quartets, both American 4AD acts. They shared a manager, opened for each other. But where the world needs reminding of the Muses, the Pixies are fixed in the firmament.

Idling through YouTube, I was struck by how many videos there are of teenagers doing Pixies covers. Of the late Eighties/early Nineties US “alternative” bands, barring Nirvana, the Pixies could go the furthest distance. Their appeal to kids isn’t a mystery: their songs are (seemingly) easy to play, fun to sing, geeky, filthy. They may well be heard more today, if you compare their streams to ca. 1989 US radio and MTV.


They had no childhood or regional ties. Their booking agent Jeff Craft described them in the Fool the World Pixies oral history as “four completely and totally different people. They appeared to have nothing in common at all offstage.” In 1983, at the University of Massachusetts in Amherst, Charles Thompson, a South California ex-Pentecostal and UFO believer, met Joey Santiago, whose family had fled the Philippines after Ferdinand Marcos declared martial law in 1972. Thompson was an anthropology major; Santiago studied economics. They dropped out, moved to Boston, worked in warehouses, formed a band.

They found Kim Deal, an Ohio transplant working in a Brookline doctor’s office, via an ad in the Boston Phoenix (“no chops”) and David Lovering via Deal’s then-husband, John Murphy, who’d worked with him at a Radio Shack in Burlington. Deal, a guitarist, was the bassist by default while Lovering “was always a drummer,” Murphy later said.

Rehearsing in Lovering’s parents’ garage in Burlington and in a grotty room near Fenway, the band became, in under a year, the Pixies as we know them (see this T.T. the Bear’s performance from October 1986, about a month after their first gig, & a January 1987 WERS broadcast). It was as if they’d crystallized upon forming. They’d hone a piece until it was sharp, and that was it. Live performances differed little from recordings, apart from songs sometimes going louder or faster. No jams, no improvs, no fuss. They’d do setlists in alphabetical order, slot them by length or tempo. Deal was their charismatic because she talked between songs.


Some of their influences were open—the “1-2-3-4! here’s a chorus, and another, and another” pace of the Ramones; Iggy Pop’s Tarzan yells (cf. the end of “Funtime” with “Tame”); the Cars’ “muted and clicky” rhythm guitar lines and, especially on early tracks like “The Holiday Song,” Gordon Gano’s phrasings in the Violent Femmes. Santiago and Thompson grew up listening to Sixties pop (Deal was more of a Seventies rocker; Lovering mostly liked Rush) and shared a taste for surf music, first heard in Santiago’s lead lines, later becoming a strong color in the band’s sound in Bossanova.

“If you can get it down to one chord, a beat and no melody…that’s the best song,” Thompson told Sounds in 1989. “If you can keep stripping stuff away and still have it be fascinating…like rock music that anyone can play. EAEA [thumping a table] go like this, even the drums.”


That wasn’t how his band worked, though. The Pixies were askew formalists, with Thompson comparing his songwriting to doing crossword puzzles or math equations. “I want rules, I want standards,” he said in 1990. But only to break them, such as by throwing “wrong” chords into a sequence. “There’s a lot of half-steps, a lot of chords that don’t theoretically go with the key, but it seems to work,” Santiago said in 2008.

More often, it meant monkeying with structure. Shifting time signatures, for instance: see the long outro of “No. 13 Baby,” which moves to 2/4 every fourth bar (same as in the verse of “River Euphrates”); the shift to 6/4 in the first three bars of the refrains of “Wave of Mutilation”; the 6/8 “CB break” in “Trompe le Monde.”

They’d screw a five-chord progression into a four-beat measure or stretch a three-chord progression over four bars: see “I’ve Been Tired,” where “a four-chord sequence would sound natural, we’ll turn it into a three-chord sequence, make it trip over itself…it’s kind of religious sounding,” Thompson said. There’s “Velouria,” whose verse chord progression is at odds with its vocal line (five bars for chords, four for vocals—they soon go out of sync; also the case in “Gouge Away”); the seven-bar 3/4 verses of “Silver”; “Tame” and “Hey,” with their three-bar refrains whose repeats sound as if they’re showing up too soon. “We knock off two beats here on some lines and not necessarily go four, so we have all these twists and turns,” Santiago said.

It’s where Lovering was most valuable—he’s always right on the beat, whatever the song gets up to, and slips in fills when things need a boost, as if he’s working a bellows (he used mallets on floor tom and snare for a fatter sound on the likes of “Wave of Mutilation”). His only reported struggle was on “Havalina,” where Thompson wanted him to do fills in 4/4 while everyone else was in 6/4 (“we ended up playing a bunch of chords in 4, had David do the fills, and then we recorded our real parts in 6,” Thompson told Melody Maker in 1991).


The poster that roiled Boston, 1987: the band wrote the setlist for the “Purple Tape” session on the back of one

Thompson—a modest-looking man who’d won a “teenager of the year” award from the Kiwanis Club of Westport, Massachusetts—had a burrowing, scrabbling verse voice, sometimes vaulting up and down an octave (from “air” to “ground” in “Where Is My Mind”). He sang refrains as if someone gored him in the navel with a corkscrew. “This mass of screaming flesh,” as his fan David Bowie once described him.

The producer Gary Smith recalled that, when introducing a new song, Thompson “would get excited and stand inches away from my face with an acoustic guitar and say ‘and now it’s going to go BLAH-HA’ and he would do this chorus to the point where you could see his uvula.” He decided to call himself Black Francis when the band was designing their demo’s cassette cover; he took his stage name from a never-born sibling (his father had told him it was what he’d have called another son).

I was trying on clothes in an Old Navy and in the hallway between fitting rooms a boy walked back and forth, repeating door numbers. Five. Six. Seven…FIVE. SIX. SEVEN! [whine] Fiiiiive! [shriek] SIX!!! [bigger shriek] SEH-VEN!!!! That’s the heart of Thompson’s phrasings—this scraping against boredom, this rosy delight in being an irritant. “The pure satisfaction of screaming,” as he told Simon Reynolds in 1988. He’s picking at scabs: Elevator lady elevator lady elevator lady elevator lady ladylevitateme. Riririri riririri ri-ri-riri riri-riri. Choruses are when they bleed: Uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh uh huh huh: TAHYYYYYYYYYYYME. If the devil is SIX, then GOD IS SEH-VEN! IF GODDD IS SEH-VEN

It culminates in “Debaser” which, as Santiago told Ben Sisario in the latter’s book on Doolittle, is “the whole formula of the Pixies, that one song…All the sound qualities are there.” A box is built: two bars of bass, two bars + lead guitar, four + drums, four + rhythm guitar and percussion. In it, Thompson’s flipping through television channels, flicking from Un Chien Andalou (“slicin’ up eyeballs! Hah-hah-hah-ho!”) to Purple Rain (“shed, Apollonia!” was a mooted opening line for the refrain). He wants to grow up, not to be some respectable member of society, but a canker sore in it, a worm, a rotter, a befouler. He longs for his diseased future. “De-base-er!” he screams in a cracked joy, while Deal quietly repeats the word after him, as if soothing a disturbed child.

The Pixies   January 1988  Boston  Press Image

Mainstream guitar had a lot of typewriting skills. They were typing as fast as they can, and I couldn’t hear it. The only thing that was impressive about it for me was the speed – how can they play so fast? But in the back of my mind I was like, ‘I don’t care’. It just wasn’t my thing. I’m more like a classic rock guy. You gotta hear some riffs or something you’re going to remember, and that requires less notes.

Joey Santiago, 2018

Santiago, self-professed non-ace guitarist (“there are enough real guitarists already”), is the hero of the Pixies. He was a scrapper, checking out records from the library and fastening on chords that sounded good: “it’s all derived from guitar moments that perk my ears up.” Hearing the VU’s “White Light/White Heat” he felt, for the first time, “this is doable. I can get my hands around this.” He grabbed “octave thingies” from Wes Montgomery and Jimi Hendrix records; the latter also gave him the dominant 7#9 chord (used on “Here Comes Your Man” and “Tame,” among many Pixies tracks).

It’s lead guitar with the boring bits cut out: all jump-cut riffs, the quick-change of a few chords, speedshots along the high E string, torturing a few notes for a fill, making songs uneasy by, as on “River Euphrates,” picking between root notes and leading tones.

The bass in Pixies is just glue; that’s all it is. It’s not supposed to be something else.

Kim Deal, 2004

Where did Deal fit in? Her bass style (initially she played an odd-sounding Aria Pro II Cardinal Series borrowed from her twin sister; she had a 1962 Fender Precision on Doolittle, a Music Man StingRay on Bossanova, and even a Steinberger on Trompe le Monde) was to play steady eighth notes. “I am good at that, aren’t I? It’s not easy to do. A lot of players lag behind. It’s so irritating. And they’re playing with their fingers, so they never really get a good attack at the top, and one hit is louder than the other,” she told Bass Player in 2004. She’s the deep current that propels songs (and holds it together in the middle of the Surfer RosaVamos“), locking in on Lovering’s kick drum wherever he might be.

Because she’d only taken up bass for the Pixies gig, she didn’t have reverence for it. “I can step back and look at the instrument.” She saw no point in trying to be a virtuoso, but was happy to play a “static, groovy thing…We’re not a dance band. It would be awful to try to play some sort of interesting, intricate rhythm over a 4/4 drumbeat with the hi-hat constantly on the eighth-note.”


Pixies as normcore pioneers, ca. 1989

Everything we did was with the Pixies and they had three boys and one girl, and we had three girls and one boy, so we just kind of made one gender!

Kristin Hersh, 1994

Throwing Muses were their benefactors. After seeing the Pixies at the Rat (“when they walked onstage I thought they were all lesbians”), Hersh told her band’s manager Ken Goes that he should take on the Pixies; Gary Smith, who’d cut the Muses’ “Doghouse” demo, cut the Pixies’ “Purple Tape” demo in the same Roxbury studio, Fort Apache; said demo led the Muses’ label head, 4AD’s Ivo Watts-Russell, to sign the Pixies.

“The Muses had cut the trail….It was far easier for [the Pixies] to get to the same point in their careers than it had been for Kristin and Tanya and company,” said the late Joe Harvard, who co-founded Fort Apache. “There was no question…that they would have gotten there eventually, but [Smith’s] efforts on their behalf probably saved the Pixies a year or more in an industry where timing is everything.”

Watts-Russell also had learned from working with the Muses (“they were kind of the trial run for the Pixies in a lot of ways”). Rather than having the Pixies remake their demo, he picked what he thought were the tape’s eight strongest tracks and issued them in September 1987 as a 12″ EP, Come On Pilgrim (a reference to Christian rock musician Larry Norman’s “Watch What You’re Doing” and, given Thompson’s lyrics, an unavoidable double entendre).

It was the Pixies in twenty minutes: incest, screaming, disease, Spanish phrases, sexual frustration, loathing, guitar runs, whores, death, Deal harmonies. “When you don’t use physical imagery, you just end up talking about, you know, emotions and everything,” Thompson said in 1988. “But ‘Broken Face’…people understand what a broken face is.”


Meet the Pixies: their first Melody Maker cover, 19 March 1988

Within six months came Surfer Rosa, their debut LP, recorded in the South End of Boston by Steve Albini (4AD went with him because their warehouse manager was a Big Black fan). “He’s like this brainiac, about six foot tall but only 80 pounds, always reading, always figuring out manuals to see how things work,” Thompson said. The band had been using tiny amps (“that was how they got their reputation: underutilized equipment,” Murphy said) until Albini pushed for them to get Marshalls for the record, on which he made them gargantuan: guitars shearing through the mix, Lovering’s kick drum sounding like a giant knocking at a basement door.

Albini, in a 1991 Forced Exposure interview, bashed the Pixies as being sellouts “anxious to be led around by their nose rings” (he later apologized, and Deal would work with him several more times). The tension of Surfer Rosa is that of a producer who seems as interested in recording the sound of the room as he is the band playing in it, whose performances he graded either “pussy” or “non-pussy.” The album was a documentary short of a rapidly-developing band, shot in black and white, with hard cuts. Snippets of studio dialogue (Deal: “all...Iknow is that there were rumors he was into field hockey players…it was so hush-hush“; Thompson: “I said you fucking die!”) were as memorable as its lesser tracks. “Because they had developed as bedroom players, they had distinct styles,” Albini told Spin in 2004. “People who taught themselves to play had an advantage because they wouldn’t be mimicking.”


Pixies around the time of Surfer Rosa‘s release, spring 1988 (Millicent Harvey)

Triumphs were “Cactus,” blueprint of the “whispered verse/ exploding refrain” style the Pixies bestowed upon the Nineties; a remade “Vamos,” on which Santiago and Albini literally pieced together a solo (Santiago played fragments, which Albini distorted or played backwards, then edited together on quarter-inch tape); Albini turning “Something Against You” into a noise-pop blast worthy of Husker Du; the cheery filth of “Bone Machine” (as per Thompson, “the hips of a woman…it’s an obscene song”), and the grand “illicit lust” piece “Gigantic,” recorded mostly in an industrial bathroom. Deal, given a title by Thompson, first thought of writing about a gigantic mall until she recalled the Sissy Spacek film Crimes of the Heart, where a married woman sleeps with a teenager. She’s only narrating the song, but sounds so delighted for the lovers in it, cheering them on, singing with this wild, goofy elation.

Phil Nicholls’ contact sheet for a Melody Maker feature, May 1988 (via KH Archives)

There’s the legend that the upstart Pixies, opening for Throwing Muses in a spring 1988 UK/European tour, blew the latter off the stage, soon demoting the Muses to their opening act. Watts-Russell said this wasn’t quite the case: that in the UK, the Muses held their own, and that the swap in headliners was owed to dismal European promotion of the Muses by their label there, Warner.

But the Pixies were connecting with audiences harder, with moshing crowds singing along to “Where Is My Mind” and “Gigantic.” Thompson said it felt like being in the Pogues; Deal said she found it weird when crowds cheered them as they walked on stage (“why are they applauding? We haven’t even played yet.”) Where Kristin Hersh filled her songs with dense lyrics to honor the Muses’ “make each bar complicated” credo, Thompson kept his words simple—the fewer you sang, the better. It let Pixies songs translate easily. Even if you had no idea what he was singing about, you could soon latch onto something—break my body, hold my bones!—and hurl it back at him.

“I honestly didn’t have a problem with the Pixies headlining but it was awkward at times, not between bands but within our band,” the Muses’ David Narcizo told Martin Aston. “The Muses was Kristin’s baby and she struggled with it.” For her part, Hersh told Aston that “to follow Pixies, it’s hard for audiences to get down and listen to subtleties when they want to crash some more. But it was such a great high to see a band that you love play before you play yourself.”

The bands ended their tour in May 1988 at different stations: the Muses would continue to struggle in the US; the Pixies were ready to jump to another tier. “After that tour, it was over, it was really over,” Hersh said in Fool the World. “They were always rock stars, they were rock stars from day one, and they expected people to like them, they expected to be valuable. We just felt like we were on our own planet.”


When they cut Doolittle at the end of 1988, again mostly in Boston, Thompson was at a boil—he’d written a batch of new songs, often so brutally short that the producer Gil Norton begged for some solos and second verses just to hit the two-minute mark. The lyrics were more elaborately surreal. “Dead” is the story of David and Bathsheba as told by a lunatic; “There Goes My Gun” is a murder in a sentence (Yoo hoo! Looka me! Frienda foe? BANG); “No. 13 Baby” is a memory of falling in love with a Samoan-American girl next door in Los Angeles (“six foot girl gonna/ sweat when she dig/ Stand close to the fire/ when they light the pig”).

Of course, this was mostly discernible via Thompson’s interviews—I’d long thought the last verse of “Dead,” which concerns the death of Bathsheba’s husband Uriah (“Uriah hit the crapper”), was Thompson singing “you are a hippo-crapper.”


As Pixies songs were formalist games, so were Thompson’s lyrics—structural restrictions meant as much as his words: “I Bleed,” with its AABCBDD rhyme scheme; “Ana” whose acrostic lines spell “surfer”; “Hang Wire,” whose first verses are haiku; the B-side “The Thing,” written as a sonnet.

In Doolittle, the body horror and self-revulsion of the first Pixies songs—-incestual lusts, masochistic urges, Thompson’s hunger to peel off his skin—broadens into a decaying world, aided by Norton’s overdub-heavy production. A businessman drives into the ocean, which is so polluted with sludge that it’s killed Neptune and his daughter. Even “Here Comes Your Man,” the would-be pop hit (“the Tom Petty song,” as they called it, though it’s more a sharp R.E.M. parody, from boxcars to Peter Buck guitar lines to Michael Stipe ah-hooos), ends with an earthquake.


The Pixies’ fun fourth, 1988

By the mixing of Doolittle, a foundation crack was visible: Thompson and Deal were growing estranged.

It started when 4AD chose “Gigantic” as the single off Surfer Rosa. The only song that Deal co-wrote and sang lead on became the Pixies’ most popular track. When Thompson met his idol Iggy Pop, Pop raved about the song Thompson didn’t sing. Deal’s stage presence was also, apparently, bugging him—he once griped that fans would cheer when Deal smoked a cigarette. She was the band’s open face, having a whale of a time, cracking up, grinning, yelling “hi!” between songs (Hersh recalled Deal constantly saying “we’re the Pixies!” at their first Rat gig), yet still enigmatic. To little surprise, she was the main visual interest in a band that looked rooted to the stage.

The core problem was that Thompson and Deal were temperamentally bandleaders, and it was Thompson’s band. For Deal, something she’d joined as a lark had become an all-consuming job, with no outlet for her songwriting. Soon after she started a side project [see Quartet 2(b)], she was nearly fired from the Pixies, who’d relocated to Los Angeles in early 1990 without telling her. A meeting in LA brokered by a lawyer managed to keep the band together, but whatever camaraderie had existed was dead. (Thompson reportedly wanted to fire her again just before recording Trompe le Monde.)

So she got pushed into the background, having no more lead vocals on albums after “Silver.” The sibling-like interplay of her and Thompson’s harmonies grew formal on Bossanova and she’s all but a ghost on Trompe le Monde, where Thompson sang most of what would have been her parts and scotched Norton’s bid to have her sing “Bird Dream of the Olympus Mons,” which Norton thought better suited her voice.

To Option in January 1991, Thompson described a band who seemed on the verge of being renamed Black Francis and (Some Of) the Pixies:

It kind of pisses me off when people ask me, ‘why aren’t there more Kim songs on the record?’ It’s like, I write the songs—it’s always been that way, and why shouldn’t it be?…Why should that change?…People have this notion that a band has to be this democratic unit, like’s it’s some kind of rule or something…This band was never a democracy…Joey and I were friends, and then the other two joined up. And if anybody has a problem with that, they can leave, y’know? I’m the president, Joey’s the vice-president. That’s the way it is.


Bob Stanley parses Bossanova for Melody Maker, 11 August 1990

The records were taking longer to make and costing far more, with the band using multiple studios on different continents (as per Sisario, Doolittle‘s production cost was roughly $40,000 while Bossanova‘s was $200,000 and Trompe le Monde‘s was over $250,000.) Doolittle was the last album the Pixies thoroughly demoed before recording. Thompson drew from a pile of old compositions (“Subbacultcha,” “Dig For Fire,” “U-Mass,” “Down to the Well,” among others) and wrote some new pieces in the brief rehearsals for Bossanova.

Bossanova, cut in Los Angeles in spring 1990 (the Muses were making The Real Ramona there at the time; the bands lived in the same apartment complex), was a retrenchment. Thompson felt pressured to top “Monkey Gone to Heaven,” whose spirit instead diffused into their quietest, prettiest record—sequence the songs seemingly named after women (though “Allison” is about Mose and “Havalina” a wild pig), and you have their most charming miniature. The album also had “The Happening,” their first true dud, a song in which weirdness curdles into banality.


Pixies gone Hollywood (Kevin Westenberg for Melody Maker, 11 August 1990)

By the time he cut Trompe le Monde a year later, Thompson had gone from writing during rehearsals to full-on studio improvisations. Norton would record drum tracks for songs that didn’t have melodies, the band tracked their parts at different times, and Thompson brought in Eric Drew Feldman for keyboards and synths. He’d whisk together lyrics at the mike. It could be inspired; it’s also why he’s riffing on the tabla player’s name (Jefrey, with one F) in “Space.”

It would be a double-LP to rival Zen Arcade, or an “eight-track punk album,” Thompson said during its making; Trompe le Monde wound up as another 14-track Pixies album that sagged on its second side. It’s their most guitar-crazy record, with Santiago having a go at heavy metal, doing hammer-ons, pull-offs and fretboard taps (“Trompe le Monde is hilarious,” he said in 2004. “There’s so much shredding on it!”). It didn’t sound like a last record as much as a transition piece, one which led nowhere (though it previewed Thompson’s solo years).


An “our car broke down in the desert” press photo as a sign of band spirits, 1991

Opening for U2 in their spring 1992 tour was supposed to break the Pixies at last (Elektra head Bob Krasnow, looking for a Nirvana on his label, put chips on them). And it did, just not commercially. Taking an arena-level opening gig was often dispiriting for Eighties “indie” bands—see the Replacements opening for Tom Petty in 1989. Nothing brought home your relative insignificance like playing your 120 Minutes hit to a two-thirds-empty stadium in daylight.

Even Saint Patrick’s Day at the Boston Garden—the hometown Pixies, opening for U2 on Boston’s carnival night—was the same empty rows of seats and tepid applause, Lovering said. A snarky U2 cover article in Spin by Deal’s then-boyfriend Jim Greer (cover tag: “The Story They Didn’t Want You to Read”), which recounted such gripes as the Pixies being called “Support Act” in tour materials, didn’t help.

At the Commodore Ballroom in Vancouver, on 25 April 1992, the band closed with “Vamos” and “U-Mass.” Thompson said he wanted a sabbatical, changed his stage name to Frank Black, spent the rest of the year making a solo album, and in January 1993, on a BBC radio show, claimed he’d killed the Pixies via fax. After this interview, Deal called Santiago to ask if he’d heard the Pixies had broken up.


Reunited: well, for a while. Washington DC, 1 December 2009 (Angie Garrett)

They got back together in 2004. Some of it was for the money, some of it was getting over, or papering over, old quarrels, some of it was validation. Doolittle had sold over a thousand copies a week, on average, in the late Nineties (it was certified platinum last year, while Surfer Rosa went gold in 2005). A generation who had been in embryo or kindergarten during the Pixies years had discovered the band second-hand, whether via older siblings’ CDs or hearing “Where Is My Mind” in Fight Club. “For some reason, over the decade we got popular,” Deal said in a Spin profile pegged to the reunion.

They played Coachella and were treated like the Rolling Stones, though a documentary of the 2004 tour showed a band who still acted like strangers off-stage (the New York Times: “Boring people who made extraordinary music, the Pixies are inexplicable.”) For years they sporadically considered making an album, while the only new music they issued in the 2000s was Deal’s fun “Bam Thwok,” rejected by the Shrek 2 soundtrack.

They finally decided to cut some new songs. Recording in Wales one day in spring 2013, the Pixies broke for dinner. Deal paid, and the next day she quit and flew home. “All we could do was ask her and plead with her, “Please, come on, Kim.” Like that. That was a decision she made and she left,” Lovering told Billboard in 2016. “Whether she didn’t like the music, or felt she didn’t want to go on—there’s nothing we can do about it and we just wish her well.” (Thompson described “All I Think About Now,” a song on their 2016 album Head Carrier that recycles the “Where Is My Mind” riff, as a “sort-of thank you letter to Kim.”)

It was ironic: after everything, Deal would fire herself from the band. She had her own to reunite, and apparently was skeptical about the worth of doing a new Pixies album. One new song, “Indie Cindy,” was a plea to a younger audience, its sentiment that of Iggy Pop in Lust for Life: fall in love with me (again).


New four (Q, November 2016).

Instead, the three Pixies EPs issued in 2013 and 2014 got some of the last great Pitchfork pans to date (the first EP was rated 1.0!). It was a band sounding vaguely like themselves, as if working based on others’ recollections—a Pixies with less vocal range, less dynamics, moving slower, having fewer hooks; like a harbinger of FaceApp. Things brightened when Paz Lenchantin joined, first as a touring bassist and then full-time member (she replaced Kim Shattuck, sacked after three months (“Personality-wise, [Shattuck’s] very west coast, she’s very extrovert. We’re very east coast, very introvert,” Thompson told the Guardian in 2014. Lenchantin, an Argentine-born west coaster, appears to have worked out, though).

The Pixies have been back for fifteen years now, far longer than they were originally together. I saw them not long ago, at Smith College. The crowd was about two-thirds middle-aged, the rest teenagers and college kids. The band was solid, were shrouded in dry ice much of the time, mostly did the old stuff. The likes of “Where Is My Mind,” “Bone Machine,” “Wave of Mutilation,” ringing one after the other through a college auditorium, felt as storied as a “Fortunate Son” or “Jack and Diane.” It was as if they’d become classic rock standards by sublimation.

They didn’t engage the crowd until the close of the encore, when they said thanks and took a bow. In a way, they have become their own tribute band, and there are worse fates.

2. Throwing Muses

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Johnny Angel Wendell played in Boston rock bands (City Thrills, The Blackjacks) in the Eighties. Speaking to the writer Brett Milano decades later, he recalled another local group.

As soon as I saw Throwing Muses at the Rat, I thought, that’s it, it’s all over for me. I don’t know how to do this, it’s everything I can’t adjust to. The drummer doesn’t play a beat, he just accents everything the singer does. The chords are weird. The melodies don’t make any sense, and yet they’re really good. If this is what’s coming next, then I’m finished.

A night at the Living Room, on Promenade Street in Providence, Rhode Island, in spring 1985. The headlining band sets up. Their gear includes a pair of mannequin legs in a gold lamé miniskirt, a decrepit Moog, a television tuned to a grey channel, and an ironing board that serves as a shelf for a Casio keyboard and hubcaps.

They are three women and one man (the drummer). When they start playing, drunks at the bar hoot “whoo! girls! The Go-Gos!!” and rush the stage to leer at them. Three songs into the set, the drunks have backed off, leaving an empty half-circle before the stage. Most of the crowd are regulars: punks, art students at RISD, junkies who sleep in a park in Wayland Square. In one corner of the club is the Hollywood eminence Betty Hutton and her priest.

The lead singer/guitarist stares into the middle distance, unblinking, craning her neck and twitching a foot. At stress points in songs she channels an eldtrich power from the pits of her lungs. My PILLOW SCREAMS TOO but SO DOES MY KITCHEN and water and my shoesI have a gun in my head…I’m invisible…I can’t! FIND! THE! ICE! The other guitarist sings harmony: how do they kill children? Songs fray, splinter, hang together far longer than seems possible. Some seem to be only bridges and long outros. Chords are open strings and warring notes truced by a pressed finger. The drummer, on a kit without cymbals, snaps sixteenth-note marching band patterns across his snare. The bassist plays melodies the singer won’t sing, riffs the guitarists don’t play, beats the drummer doesn’t hit.

“We didn’t mean to ever be strange. I guess we were because everybody says we were,” Kristin Hersh said in 2004. “It’s almost like speaking your own language. I find we kept people out of our world by doing that.”

We All Do Throwing Muses


The [Boston] Noise, October 1985 (via Michael Aguilar). Hersh recounts this photo shoot in Rat Girl.

In the autumn of 1985, music writers, radio stations, and labels in New England, New York City, and beyond (even the UK, it turned out) got a demo cassette and typewritten press release in the mail.

“Kristin Hersh is a singer and guitar player and biggest writer and sometimes has blue hair and sometimes glasses. Tanya Donelly is the other singer who plays keys and guitars and noise toys. She writes some songs and shirts. Leslie Langston does very good bass and backing voice. She did punk, funk, Portuguese polkas, jazz, hardcore, acid rock, classical and even more reggae…David Narcizo does drums and hubcaps. He lives in a room with walls like a subway’s and used to be in a marching band.

We all do THROWING MUSES and average our ages at 19.”

In half a year, Throwing Muses had a contract with the British label 4AD; in a year, they had released an album and were opening for Cocteau Twins.

They were lucky, in part. They lived within a drive of Providence, Boston, and New York, and so could play a club every other week. They had a score of colleges (Brown and the Rhode Island School of Design especially took them to heart) and a healthy ecology of local newspapers, magazines, and radio stations to promote them. They had the bravado and sleep-resistance of teenagers. They became a band as a positive charge in a negative adolescence, but treated it as the only job they would ever hold. 4AD’s Ivo Watts-Russell said Throwing Muses were always working: demoing, rehearsing, improving. “So many of the bands I’d worked with had pretty much made things up in the studio and only rehearsed when they were about to tour,” he told Martin Aston.

You can hear influences in their music—X, The Raincoats, Volcano Suns, Violent Femmes, The B-52’s, early R.E.M. (see the intro of “Vicky’s Box”)—but they appeared more to have come up with a version of rock music by reading about it. Their look countered their volatile sound—they were a well-scrubbed pack of “art hardcore” college kids. Gary Smith, who recorded their essential 1985 demo, made sure their photograph was on the cassette cover because, as he told Hersh, “you’re adorable.”


The band joked that while they had to be at a Throwing Muses show, they didn’t know why anyone else was. “Sometimes I have a lot of respect for people sitting through our shows,” Hersh said to CMJ. The bands who “put on a show,” who catered to the crowds, all the would-be rock and roll stars, made no sense to them.

“People said the main problem with our music is that you couldn’t ignore it,” she added.

Rat Girl

Heather Kellogg (as Kristin Hersh) & Christina Augello (Betty Hutton), Rat Girl, 2014 (Claire Rice)

Do you get misunderstood much?

Oh, all the time, but that’s the best way.

KH, interviewed by Melody Maker, March 1988

Kristin Hersh was born in 1966 in Georgia; her family’s roots lie in the Tennessee mountains. An early memory is of her father “playing me these Depression-era Southern mountain songs. They were Celtic in origin so they’re in a minor key, and they’re whiny and dreamlike,” she told Liz Evans. “I could never figure out if they were dreamlike because the people wrote them when they were drunk or starving, or because they lived up in the mountains by themselves.”

Her parents (immortalized as “Dude” and “Crane” in her memoir, Rat Girl) moved to Newport, Rhode Island, where she spent her school years being mocked for her accent. Taking up guitar, she grew frustrated by Dude knowing just basic major and minor chords—he could only play Neil Young’s Harvest, pretty much. So he handed her the guitar and she started making up chords. Later, she had to find sort-of root notes in her chords so that she could teach them to her bassist.

Put on the gifted-student track, Hersh was taking college classes in her mid-teens (“I was like Lisa Simpson when I was a kid”). At Salve Regina University, where Dude taught philosophy, she met Betty Hutton, a sixtysomething retired actress who was getting a college degree. Hersh’s memoir is a loving picture of their strange friendship—Hutton giving Hersh stage presence lessons (“sparkle!”) or bucking her up when she freaked out while making the Muses’ debut album.


Hersh at the Tractor Tavern, 27 February 2004 (Mike Baehr)

When she was fourteen, while riding her bicycle, Hersh was struck by a car (driven by an “old witch” who died soon afterward, as if she was a honey bee). It gave her a double concussion, a post-traumatic stress disorder that wasn’t properly diagnosed for decades, and the songs. She’d call it the “Rat Girl” accident.

She heard the first song in her head soon afterward: “a metallic whining, like industrial noise and a wash of ocean waves, laced with humming tones and wind chimes,” she wrote. “Soon the song began organizing itself into discernible parts.” Clang noises formed into percussive lines; she fished melodies, riffs, and basslines from “the bed of ocean waves”; she got lyrics from the hum-syllables in her thought currents. “A song lives across time as an overarching impression of sensory input, seeing it all happening at once.”

In her memoir and in many interviews over the years, Hersh has described these post-crash songs as being a possession of the self—that she felt at their mercy, getting woken up by songs trapped in her head, burning through her body, until she found the chords on her guitar neck, scribbled words on notebook paper. Only when she pinned the song to the world was she free of it.


Another piece of her creation myth was the Doghouse, a nondescript apartment where she lived in autumn 1984. It reminds me of the poet Fernando Pessoa’s recollection of how he’d found the voice of an alternate “heteronym” self, spending a day braced against a dresser, writing while standing up, poem after poem flowing out of him. For Hersh, the Doghouse was where the trauma songs fully took hold. “My thinking is liquid and quick,” she wrote of the period. “I can function at all hours. My songs are different…when I play them, I become them. Evil, charged.” She left the Doghouse with her guitar case stuffed full of song manuscripts.

She’d break her work into thirds—the imitative songs before the Doghouse (“those songs deserve no more than to disappear forever”), the Doghouse songs themselves (“songs on fire”—she held back on recording some for years, like “The Letter”), and the post-Doghouse songs—music seared by her time there. What made a Doghouse song? It tore and grabbed and screamed at you, it wrote itself on your skin—she called them “ugly tattoos.” It was her artistic birth: by nineteen, she’d written “Hate My Way,” “Call Me,” “Vicky’s Box,” “Stand Up,” “Delicate Cutters,” “Soul Soldier,” “Sinkhole,” “And a She-Wolf After the War,” “Fear,” “Fish.”


Hersh at the Living Room, Providence, 1987 (Jeff Notte, via KH Archives)

In the autumn of 1985, she was diagnosed as being bipolar, was prescribed lithium. She described her therapy as a disenchantment—doctors telling her that the accident hadn’t been a witch casting a curse on her, that the possessive songs weren’t real. But the Doghouse songs were still there—they had taken shape and form. After all, she’d taught them to her step-sister, who was in her band.



From “Fish” (dir. Charles Jevremovich and Lisa Munrose, 1986)

I showed this girl my stitches
She said she had some too
She said she thinks she’ll start a rock band too

Tanya Donelly, born less than a month before Hersh, spent her first years moving around the country with her family until they settled in Newport. “People came and went at our house all the time, although it wasn’t a commune exactly, it was our house,” she told Evans in 1994. “There was a lot of nudity, a lot of drugs and a lot of very strange situations…I have been left with a lot of images that I wish I didn’t have, pictures that won’t go away. I do use them in songs.”

It left her wary of hippie life, which was “based on just bullshit, concepts that don’t exist…I don’t think open marriages have anything to do with human nature, I don’t think drugs expand your consciousness…A lot of concepts from that time were really so corroding. And most of the people that I was exposed to then were just lying.”

School was the first environment she’d encountered with adult authority figures and structured time. “I felt like I was from France or something! I didn’t know the code…So me and Kristin gravitated towards each other and it was the best thing that ever happened to me, but we definitely reinforced each other’s separateness too.”


By high school, Hersh and Donelly were consumed by music, both playing guitar (“the fact we felt physically worthless was a real blessing…we were wretched!”). They formed a band with a friend, Elaine Adamedes.

“Boys would become their mirrors,” Donelly said of other girls in her class. “Whereas our guitars were our mirrors.”

Their parents had each divorced, and now Donelly’s father married Hersh’s mother—they’d met via their kids. Best friends became step-sisters, sharing a room in the house where Hersh had been raised. While “it kind of forced a relationship on us that wasn’t part of our friendship,” Donelly recalled to Evans, it also reinforced their bond: a band forged in teenage friendship was now a family union. The two woke up every morning “and made a fist…we yell it, trying to catch the other one out,” Hersh wrote. “Make a fist!


Andrew Catlin, ca. 1986

In Throwing Muses, Donelly was confined to two songs per album (one per EP). It’s easy to compare her to other “secondary” songwriters in bands dominated by strong personalities—particularly Colin Moulding in XTC. “I think people saw my songs as not having too much depth in Throwing Muses because of the context in which they were aired,” she told Evans. “I was in a band that was very weighty and so in contrast to Kristin’s songs, mine seemed lighter.”

Songwriting came easy—it lacked the exorcistic nature of Hersh’s composing. For a time, she even felt guilty her songs were full of zinging barre chords and three-chord progressions. She had the glorious “Not Too Soon” written in 1984 but didn’t record it with the Muses for more than half a decade, while “Raise the Roses,” her barbed rewrite of “Paint It Black” (“don’t call me girlfriend! Don’t call me girl!”), never made it beyond the demo stage. Instead, her early Muses tracks like “Green” and “Reel” were deliberately-complicated pieces, Donelly in the shadow of her step-sister—she even sings like Hersh at times.

Their developing styles are heard in the romances on the B side of the debut Throwing Muses EP, a self-released disc from 1984. Donelly’s “The Party” is a Casio-centered tale of a leather-jacket-wearing guy who turns his back to her when he reads (“I loooved that back”); after he bleeds on her dress, they end up reading together, back to back. It’s answered by Hersh’s “Santa Claus,” a psycho-sexual piece hooked on a cycling guitar figure. A young woman (“only eighteen and a half! ho! ho! ho! ho!”) tells a man he reminds her of Santa Claus (“in a good way!”). Sleigh bells ring upon his appearance, sounding as if shaken by drunks.

The Island


Likely the first photo of Throwing Muses, Newport Daily News, ca. June 1984 (via KH Archives)

We’re on the island, we can smell the ocean and everything slows down.

Hersh, Rat Girl.

Newport is the southernmost town on Aquidneck Island, a piece of Rhode Island that truly is an island—it’s only reached via three bridges. Long a summer playground of the wealthy (Edith Wharton had an estate there; John Kennedy and Jaqueline Bouvier were wed at St. Mary’s), Newport was in a slump by the early Seventies—the Navy’s cruiser-destroyer fleet, which had harbored there, was relocated and the Quonset Point naval base deactivated after Vietnam.

So Hersh and Donelly’s Newport was, as the latter described it to Amy Raphael, “an uncomfortable combination of tourist trade, fishermen, craftsmen, and drunks.” Add some hippie semi-communes and the vestiges of old money Newport and you have the Island.


The Muses heading upstairs, Newport, 1985 (Paul Robicheau, via Warped Reality)

Throwing Muses is inseparable from the Island—most of its members grew up in Newport. “Sandy, salty little islanders—beach kids who don’t belong here in Providence, the Big City,” as Hersh described the Muses’ early years. “Our clothes might be dirty but our bodies are clean, inside and out. We practically smell like sunshine.” It was a tight-knotted community—after a party on the Island, everyone always walked home together.

“Everybody from an island has an island-based psychology: you know that you’re essentially safe,” Hersh later told Andrea Feldman. “All you gotta do is wander around in order to get to where you’re going.”

The Muses (changed to “Throwing Muses” when Hersh found the phrase in a Martin Heidegger book) were four classmates at Rogers High—step-sisters Donelly/Hersh, friends Adamedes and Becca Blumen. They rehearsed in a space where, in an adjacent room, another Rogers student practiced for all-state marching band on a snare drum. When Blumen left, Hersh asked David Narcizo to join her band. He’d stay longer than anyone else.


Providence College freshman interviewed by his school paper, The Cowl, January 1985

Narcizo was once called “the pants of the band,” and it never would have worked without him. At first he was an improbable addition. He hadn’t played a full set of drums before (he’d drum with his hands in early rehearsals), and because the set that he acquired lacked cymbals, he’d never played them in the Muses’ first years, and was sparing once he got a proper kit.

Having fallen into rock ‘n’ roll sideways, he was the perfect drummer for Hersh’s songs. Using snare patterns from his marching band days, he’d lock in on wherever Hersh was in a song—her strum patterns, her phrasing—and he’d accent her, shore up her rhythms, or play against her. As Ross Palmer wrote of Narcizo, “he’s made a tough job look pretty easy and instinctive…[his] drums had to find ways to live in the quiet parts of these songs without overwhelming them, while driving the heavier sections along.”

Watch him on “Garoux des Larmes,” a dervish of a song where he’s constantly shifting patterns, hurdling through a stop-time section, even giving it a martial swing, enough for Hersh to hopscotch back to the mike after one break.

Anchored by Narcizo, Throwing Muses grew in force—he recalled Hersh, post-Doghouse, was overflowing with songs. While he and Donelly were in college in Providence by now, they were back in Newport every weekend for rehearsals in the attic of Narcizo’s house (his parents would sit at the foot of the stairs, listen while they read, and talk about how songs were developing). Adamedes had potential as a songwriter—her “Dirt Is on the Floor” is a synth-pop Muses that never were—but couldn’t devote the time. They needed a new bassist, and found one working in a Newport delicatessen/drugstore.


Leslie Langston, Wesleyan University, 1987 (Scott Munroe)

Leslie Langston had recently moved to town from California (“I got tired of sitting around in my own space,” she told the NME in 1986). The non-Newporter of the Muses had the deepest roots there—her family traced their heritage to Native Americans of the Rhode Island area. She was already a gifted professional musician, having played in a Whitman’s sampler of bands in California, from polka to hardcore to reggae.

Sparingly quoted in any Muses interview of the period, Langston is an essential, if obscured part of the band—her experiences and thoughts, as a musician, as a woman of color working in the very white East Coast indie rock scene of the Eighties, are all but undocumented. She’s the missing, integral piece of the puzzle.

And she was the ace of the group, the prog-rock/jazzer who could play anything, in any style you threw at her. “She was more of a technician than us,” Narcizo told Aston—she’d have to be the one who made formal sense of the things the Muses were doing in rehearsals. Her basslines, with their thick, growling tone and fluid fretting, were connecting tendons, hooks, counter-rhythms, accents, and a melodic voice as frenetic as Hersh’s vocals (here’s a bassist on YouTube trying to play along to “Colder” but admitting “some of Leslie Langston’s rhythmic figures I just cannot quite get my head around.”) As Narcizo said, “it was like she came from another world, an adult world.”

All Hard Chords


A song means filling a jug, and even more, breaking the jug; breaking it to pieces.

H. Leivick

Miki Berenyi of Lush was once asked about the Muses’ debut album. “Lush could never cover one of their songs, no way,” she said. “Too many fucking notes for us, man.”

Muses songs were “too complex to be groovy,” Hersh said. “We wanted to be fascinated every measure…we had been trying to push the limits of each of our parts on every measure of every song” (“we just played a lot of notes very, very fast,” Donelly added). It was the same impulse that made her ditch basic chords. Great, but what else can you do? The intro-verse-chorus-solo-verse-chorus-etc. thing has been done. Why not make one song from three: use good bits of each one? Why always 4/4—why not in 6/8, or 3 + 2 + 3/8 time? Why not keep changing tempos or, better, why doesn’t everyone play at a speed that suits them? Why sing notes in the chord you’re playing? Why not seven bars in one verse and ten in the next one? Why not start slow and deathly and then rip into a hoedown? (see “Rabbits Dying,” the Muses’ Goth/punkbilly Watership Down.)

First, the chords. Hersh said she’d been looking for the perfect one since she started on guitar. “It’s versatile enough to be beautiful without necessarily having to be striking…[it] should also be a little confusing, so that you have to listen to it. Every time you change the root or the accent or the key underneath, they become a slightly different color.” She had chromesthesia even before her accident: certain major chords were primary colors, turning them into minors shaded those colors, making them major sevenths added secondary colors, and so on. “When I invent a chord, I invent a color,” she wrote.


 At the Riverside, Newcastle, UK, 25 June 1989 (John Ferguson, via Their Dark Address).

On House Tornado‘s “Colder,” Hersh wrote an intro “based on an A major, so at first I felt like I was selling out, like I was writing a jingle or something,” she told Kevin Ransom in 1994. So she replaced the chord’s major third, C-sharp, with an E-flat note (so her A major chord is now A-Eb-E). “I guess if you sat around strumming that all day, it would sound ugly to some people. But for me it just rings against the E so well. Sitting under an A bass and resolving into a B gives it a sadness, or a bit of stress…it’s like ocean waves instead of a straight line.”

Her invented chords could be daunting to fret, with Hersh having to twist her wrist into torturous shapes, bending at the top joint to reach a note. “Using an ascending half-step progression all the way up the neck makes it discordant sometimes—which a lot of guitarists avoid unless it sounds like ‘art,'” she told Ransom. “It’s discordant without sounding sad. To me, it just sounds alive.” Building a chord progression was like arranging words in a sentence, she said. Jam enough sentences together and you have a song.


Muses in Berkeley Square (Frank Andrick, ca. 1988).

Hersh built some of her songs on an “anti-beat,” where she’d strum around where beats normally fell in a bar, moving into a different time depending on where she was in the melody. The role of rhythm guitarist, she said, was to confuse the issue further. At the same time, she knew the guitars “had to play on top of the beat, ahead of the drums…if we don’t sit solidly behind the kick, we sound like a giant spaz,” she wrote. “We have to hit our notes a breath after every kick beat, even if the passage is racing by at a hundred miles an hour.”

It sometimes drove Langston to distraction, as Donelly would be in a different time than Narcizo and Hersh (“together it sounds solid,” Hersh said), so Langston had get the chords and rhythm shifts down on paper to make sense of it. “Sometimes you can’t just say, ‘these are the counts’ to somebody,” Hersh said. Langston “would be going ‘why? Why does it go like this?'”

It’s no surprise that when a fan once called them “untrained,” Langston snapped, as per Hersh’s memoir. “You know how hard it is to play this way? Try it sometime! There aren’t any lessons to teach you how to do this!”


“I often sing phonetically, as if I don’t speak English,” Hersh wrote. “I make up new notes, ones that don’t belong anywhere near the chords I’m playing, and I sing those.”

It’s there in embryo on “Catch,” an early demo. Over a repeating two-note pattern, guitars scribbling in the background, Hersh works through a single refrain:

catchcatchcatchcatchcatchcatchcatch a bullet in your teeth
I put my head in the sand o!boy! o!boy! o!boy!
bad big brid-ges big big build-ings  bluu-hoo boy
it’s raining out here OH oh OH OHH

By “Finished,” which led off their great 1987 EP Chains Changed, she was an inspired phraser, dispensing with rhyme or simple patterns for hooks, trusting listeners to stay with her on her long drives. She opens with short, percussive phrases that set up Narcizo’s hammering snare fills:

With a loud noise
ev’-ry-thing breaks
ev’-ry-thing falls
{wham-wham-wham-wham-wham-wham x 5]

As the song moves through its shifts, guitars shuffling through chords, she builds out lines, elongating particular words or syllables, swallowing others. She’s diverting a river of grief:

His wife diiied  saw! her! face! re-vealed re-fused
coming ho-ho-aho-haa-hoh-oh-oh-hooome
kept it OUTSIDE laughed it GOODBYE..
turning it O-PAIN, leaving a HOHlle
good! BYE!uhhye!uhHY-YYE!…
can not    say    good bye

Hersh has a great rock ‘n’ roll voice—even in Muses demos, it cuts through the tape murk. She can go from sounding like a squashed bug to a blank reserve to a Roky Erickson-worthy shriek in a single line; her voice’s consistency lies in its insistence to be heard. Amanda Petrusich was right to say there’s something “unmistakably southern, cracked and bluntly soulful” in Hersh’s voice—it’s there in her phrases, in her vowels—the revenge of her suppressed childhood voice on the Yankee world that had mocked it.


For lyrics she’d quarry from dreams or memories (e.g., the opening verse of “Hate My Way” came from a spiel that a “punk minister” gave her on a Providence street), and they’re often elliptical, rarely “narrative.” But there’s also a plainness to them (Donelly was more of a natural surrealist). She crafted lines for common use, dispensing a sort of emotional currency. The feeling describes itself. Here I am, what a loser: waiting for years to go by. She had striking, aphoristic lines—He moved me, and the chains changed—and some self-mocking ones: I found last September in a notebook/ it was too much for the book to hold.

Early Muses songs are full of images of retreat, entrapment, imprisonment: the burrow, the ant house, “I’m in a deep hole,” the sinkhole, Vicky’s Box (which has more boxes within it, like the car he won’t drive in anymore), cages, the room with many doors but “all but one of them are closed,” the Doghouse.

Most of all, Home. In a Hersh pun, it’s where the heart lies. “Home is your body, a home is your parent’s home, it’s your married home, it’s your country, it’s life itself,” she once said. “But if you’re young, if you’re a teenager, you have no self-concept, no idea of where you’re supposed to belong. Things come very readily to you—you just feel what’s happening in the world and it happens in you, and it’s hard to tell the difference.”

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A flyer for the Muses on “Noise from Neville” (WRIU, University of Rhode Island), 26 January 1985.

By the time they were sixteen, Throwing Muses were playing the Blue Pelican in Newport; in Providence, they were at the Living Room, the Rocket, Lupo’s Heartbreak Hotel. “We were mostly girls, and they said ‘girls don’t start fights,'” Hersh recalled in 2013. Clubs first pitched them as a novelty—the beach town kids playing their weird sort-of punk rock. “Our first show [headlining] at the Living Room, they gave people money to come.”


Salve Regina University newsletter lists student of note, 1985

At twenty-eight, she looked back at the performing half of her life. The condescending sound techs, the hostile bouncers, the crooked promoters, the stalkers and creeps. “I grew up in clubs. It was hard, but it was worth it, so it never occurred to me that it was hard. The seediness of it,” she told the Alternative Press in 1994. “Ever since I was 14, I’ve been getting felt up every time I go into the bar, had guns pulled on me, been dragged into cars and vans and had drunks all over me, and that’s not what a normal person would want to go through. But I was doing it for the band, so I just thought, all right, everybody has to go through this, just paying my dues.”

Ivo, the Engine Driver


In the summer of 1985, all four Muses lived in one cheap apartment in Somerville. Whoever answered the phone wrote a message for the recipient on the wall, like the uncle in Chuck Berry’s “Memphis.” One day Hersh saw that “IVO” had called.

She thought it was an acronym. It turned out to be Ivo Watts-Russell, co-founder of 4AD, the Goth heaven of record labels, home to Bauhaus, Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, This Mortal Coil. Its reliquary LP covers, exquisitely designed by Vaughan Oliver, were as treasured as the records in the sleeves; its executives looked hipper than most musicians. Why was Ivo Watts-Russell interested in some weird guitar band from Rhode Island?


A quiet evening at home with This Mortal Coil (Watts-Russell, right)

The Muses had sent 4AD a demo, prompted by an interviewer at RISD’s student paper (the band had never heard of the label). Watts-Russell was fascinated by their sound—their aggressive front riddled through with veins of beauty. But what did it was speaking to Hersh on the phone. Like many bright kids, she was adept at befriending odd older people. In Watts-Russell she found “essentially a child in a man’s body, and I was still a child,” she told Aston. They talked nearly every night, sometimes for hours. “We’d discuss rose diseases, interesting animals, crazy shit that we saw.” 4AD soon went from wanting to boost the band in the UK, to wanting to help them find a label, to becoming their label.


For their debut Throwing Muses, recorded in spring 1986 at a farmhouse in central Massachusetts, Watts-Russell hired Gil Norton to produce a band who’d never been “produced” before (Narcizo, the Muses’ representative during mixing, vetoed Norton’s bid to put strings on “Hate My Way”). The problem was that they’d already cut a great record, and now had to remake it.

Their 1985 “Doghouse” demo tape (officially also called Throwing Muses; it was released in 1998 on the In a Doghouse compilation), captures a young band right at its moment of breakthrough—a dark energy courses through it. With most tracks cut in just a few takes, it moves fast, everyone barely keeping up with each other yet goading each other on. Hersh sings with an electrified recklessness.

Watts-Russell, perhaps to make the Muses a touch more “4AD,” nixed their loopy, funnier pieces (like “Sinkhole,” a Georgia apocalypse that lays waste to recreational vehicles and airplanes) in favor of the heaviest songs they had. So the LP’s sequencing was brutal—ending the album with “Delicate Cutters” was like a dose of laudanum after a hard night of drinking.

Hersh at Wesleyan, 1987 (Scott Munroe)

In her memoir, Hersh describes another problem: she was scared of singing as she had on the Doghouse tape. Pregnant and having stopped her lithium treatment (she’d give birth to a son soon after recording the album), she was scared of losing control, wanting to keep “evil Kristin” away from her unborn child. So she sang with less power, more self-consciousness. It meant take after take, week after week, and though Norton managed to get a strong set of vocals in the end, Throwing Muses was haunted by its predecessor—many of its tracks wilt in the face of their demos.

Soap and Water


Muses in the reeds trump Glass Spider for Melody Maker, 1987

“We were used to looking at the audience from the stage and seeing what we called ‘the sea of glasses.’ Nobody danced. Some people actually took notes,” Hersh told Milano. “Then we went to the UK and there were drunk, sweaty, screaming boys all over the place. I have no idea where the girls were—maybe in the back so they wouldn’t get knocked over.”

With Hersh’s infant son in tow, Throwing Muses played Britain and Europe in late autumn 1986. They cut their finest miniature while in London—the Chains Changed EP. It was a band over their first-time jitters and focusing on a set of four tight compositions, some of which were Hersh’s best songs to date (“Finished,” “Cry Baby Cry”). They got scads of press, built a fanbase, set the template for the rest of their career—they’d be an American band better known overseas, regularly making the covers of UK music magazines and newsweeklies while getting a few paragraphs’ notice in their US equivalents.


The problem with signing an American band, as Watts-Russell had noted from the start, was that 4AD lacked American distribution. This soon became an issue—no matter how deftly 4AD marketed them in Britain, they were at the mercy of Sire/Warner Brothers in the US. Both Watts-Russell and Hersh complained that Warner poorly promoted the Muses when they were touring with another 4AD American act [see Quartet 2(a)] in spring 1988—label reps allegedly sometimes wouldn’t show up for gigs, let alone push them.

The Muses got a poor exchange rate—what they called indifferent to ham-handed American promotion, but enough corporate obligations to weigh them down. Gigs now had to be booked months in advance: no more hops between Boston and Providence. “We couldn’t just slide into the weekend bill with five other bands we loved at the Rat, like we used to,” Hersh told Milano. “The scene just disappeared for us then, and the rest of the world was a flimsy consolation prize.”


Sounds, 26 September 1987

Their first American release, the EP The Fat Skier, was recorded over a few nights in spring 1987, in part at a Boston studio at which Apollonia was working by day. The Muses cracked themselves up by singing from lyric sheets she’d left on music stands; they’d also hold “rat races…leaning out the window and following rats down the alley…cheering our rat on as it collected food from the dumpsters and carried it home,” Hersh told With Guitars. “I personally don’t remember doing any actual work on this record.”

Highlights were compositions pulled from the archives—“Garoux des Larmes,” a rockpile of cod-French that Hersh had written at fifteen (the title was meant to be something like “werewolf of tears”); “And a She-Wolf After the War,” a rare upgrade of a Doghouse song. There was also “Soap and Water,” named after the basics of hotel life and driven by a rhythm guitar track that got erased from the mix, and Donelly’s sweet bizarrity “Pools in Eyes.”

Bash! Crash!


Men are allowed to write songs about people and women are allowed to write songs about women.

Hersh, 1994

Of House Tornado (1988), their second album (and US LP debut), Hersh said it’s the one time the quartet Muses were truly captured on tape. “It’s very realized, it’s this gnarled ball that won’t let you inside,” she recalled to Uncut in 2001. “That’s exactly what our music should’ve been. You have to force your way into that record and trust it, then you can get in there.”

Reunited with Gary Smith, the band were free to do whatever they wanted in the studio, and wound up “arguing over every note,” she recalled. The result was their densest, prickliest record, but there’s also a lightness in it, even in the hardest-edged tracks. Langston in particular darts and spins all over the album. “The parts fly off in all different directions…the strength of it comes from detail and solidity,” Hersh said.

House Tornado has recurring images of marriage as a form of binding, of tethering a couple to the material world. Saving grace “drags us by the legs across the living room.” A couple swings around the marriage tree. “I can’t play when he wakes up,” the singer of “Juno” begins.


If you’re of a particular subset of a particular generation, this may be a very nostalgiac image

Throwing Muses were always asked about being a rock band of (mostly) women, and their general response was that they didn’t think of themselves as one. “Our genders were often stated by journalists, both male and female, who would then sit and wait for a response, as if saying the three of us were women was a question,” Hersh said. But she argued there was such a thing as “male” and “female” music, which anyone of any gender could play. She used the Raincoats as an example:

They would just bang whenever they felt like it, and when they felt like it was their real time, and that’s female time…women know what changing is, so they seem, when left to their own devices, to be underneath pitch and winding around pitch, and so they just remove all the numbers.

House Tornado wound up a “very female record,” Hersh said. The lyric of “Mexican Women” came from images of “kinds of lives where women are just left. It’s accepted that a man can sire all these children and just leave, so these women are left with no houses and all these children.”

The LP title was the chaos and energy of the domestic world, by default defined as a “female” one. “The idea of the savage housewife,” she said. “There’s so much violence in a house…Have you ever washed up? All those dishes? BASH! CRASH! with kids running around, your emotions are up and down, it’s a perfectly noisy and traumatic thing to write about.”

When Hersh was cutting vocals to “Juno,” her tribute to the patron goddess of housewives, the other Muses surrounded her with buckets and mops, doing sound effects. She liked the joke but was also defensive. “I was shouting, ‘no, you can’t do this! Don’t touch my song!’ The image of the housewife is something I’m very attached to, so it almost felt like they were desecrating it.”


Muses c/w Mitchell, Melody Maker, 14 May 1988

Some of it came from how she was treated in the press. She was often defined in band profiles as being the mother of a toddler, with an almost-apologetic note that her son was with his father when she was touring (did anyone ask Curt Kirkwood who was watching his kids?). She resented being made to feel like a negligent mother and, later, being tsk-tsked for touring while pregnant. “You can do every other job pregnant,” she said in 1998. “I have to work, it’s not like I choose to hang out in rock clubs when I’m pregnant, but it’s my job.”

You Could Be Melting In America


Hits and fame have never been my concern. Michael Bolton has hits. Satan is famous. That’s not company I want to be considered in.

Hersh to the CMJ, January 1995

Throwing Muses “was never fun, but more of a need. Now I need to look for my catharsis in slightly different places,” Hersh said in 1988. “There’s so much more involved, so much more than just being an outlet for our electricity. That sounds kind of dicky, but it’s true. The dangerous quality is not so pure any more.”

In the US, they were a band on a major label who didn’t move many records. In 1997, the LA Times reported that two of their most well-marketed albums, The Real Ramona and University, had sold roughly 60,000 copies apiece in the US (UK/European sales were slightly higher). By contrast even Hersh’s 1994 solo album Hips and Makers sold around 300,000 copies worldwide (helped by a peak-R.E.M.-fame Michael Stipe guest spot on “Your Ghost“).


Among the last shows with Langston: Atlanta, 9 October 1989 (Michael Branch, via KH Archives)

She claimed Sire/Warner kept asking if Throwing Muses could be a little less…Throwing Muses? Could Hersh not sing like Kristin Hersh all the time? “We were so nice, we kept thinking: ‘Hmmm, we’re hurting Warner Brothers’ feelings,'” Hersh told Vox in 1998.

So, a compromise: a song that Hersh wrote to “play the game,” and an inside joke—much of it was a song Dude had come up with years before (“but I destroyed it…made it dumb and added a hook, some sex and PC crap”). “We thought: ‘OK, we’ll give them a stupid song, then they’ll sell a Throwing Muses record instead of a Phil Collins record.’ So we did this terrible song and remixed it in this terrible way, and all these lame jocks started shouting for it at shows. So we quit playing it. It taught me a lesson.”


A few things about “Dizzy” (a Billboard Modern Rock #8 in March 1989). It’s the Muses shoehorned at last into a verse-chorus-verse structure; said chorus sounds like a blighted Juice Newton track; the intro guitar hook is the most Late Eighties College Rock thing they ever did; its video has the band moving in the sort of weary choreography you get from non-dancers marshaled through dozens of takes, while Hersh seems to be staring at a clock showing the track’s remaining seconds.

Yet it’s still a great over-packed weirdo Muses song. Hersh’s labyrinthine verses, a goofy Comanche girl-white boy Western romance whose lines include “‘Goodbye my father,’ I thought/ “I’m carrying the light/ the light of my Comanche/ make sure the dog remembers me.'” (The LP edit plays with the structure, breaking the refrain in halves between verses.) Donelly’s guitar never stays still, roaring and tearing around the verses, agitating things. And it’s one of Langston’s last shining moments: a bassline that dances through the song.


Hunkpapa, its title a pun on one of the Lakota tribe’s council fire names and a “hot dad” counterpart for the House Tornado, was crafted as their “accessible” record (Bernie Worrell on guest keyboards!). It got a full-court press promotion, including a 1989 Spin profile that called the first Muses album “a college girl’s dining hall conversation,” wrote up Donelly as if she was a Playmate (“a soft breathy Marilyn voice and soft wispy Marilyn hair and a tight black top and red lipstick”), and made sure to note the “$180-a-night rooms overlooking Central Park at the Mayflower Hotel” that Warners footed the bill for.

Hersh had said that she didn’t want the Muses to become an elitist venture, only making music for other musicians or hardcore fans from the Providence days. She likened that to the academic journals Dude subscribed to—professors writing for other professors.

On Hunkpapa, going “mainstream” meant cutting things down, having less information. Songs stayed on one chord, if often a chord Hersh and Donelly kept undermining (the D-D7-D blurs in “Devil’s Roof,” the E minor with constantly shifting roots in “Bea”). Fewer odd song structures. “As we were going through the material, I’d say, ‘Cut it in half, cut it in half again, then cut it in half again, repeat it a couple of times’,” she told Melody Maker in 1989. “The average person doesn’t want to follow all the counter-melodies and rhythmic shifts and chord changes.”

“I feel that, at last, I’ve finally learned how to play the drums,” Narcizo added.


The result was betwixt and between—early Muses advocates like Simon Reynolds feared they were plateauing (see above review), and Hunkpapa didn’t sell in great numbers, either. As with other once-indie acts on major labels in the late Eighties, playing the game led to more innings of it. “We’d make videos and shop them to MTV and they’d show them at 2 AM; we’d have to do radio tours, begging them to play the single,” Hersh recalled in 2001. “We’d do tens of thousands of dollars’ worth of photo shoots, you know, hoping to fool people into buying the record.”

“They were always telling me to either dumb it down or play it up,” she told Billy Hell in 2004. “Playing stupid music definitely works, but so does being melodramatic or pretentious.”

Fall Down


Narcizo and Hersh in Central Park, NME, 11 Feb 1989 (Steve Pyke). “Don’t you think Throwing Muses is essentially you and Dave?” Ivo Watts-Russell once told Hersh. It was, soon enough.

The turn of the decade was brutal on Hersh, who lost a custody battle for her son (his father’s lawyers used her life as a touring rock musician against her), and on the Muses, who had a costly split from their manager. Hersh was also sued by the Musicians Union and had a colossal tax bill. “It was just one of those years where everything falls apart,” she recalled of it. Langston, exhausted by it all and getting married, left the band at the end of 1989. She was replaced by another Newporter, Fred Abong, who fell in the minor rock ‘n’ roll tradition of the longtime fan who joins the band he loves.

Donelly had considered leaving too—a side project [see Quartet 2(b)] briefly staved off the inevitable. Hunkpapa had her most ambitious work to date: the fantasia “Dragonhead,” which opens with an eerie “he lies! he lies! he lies! he lies!” refrain in which multi-tracked Donelly sounds like children tramping through a forest, moves through its barrel-churn of an opening section until, midwifed by a guitar solo, it falls with a sigh into its gorgeous second half, serenaded by violin. A dreamer wakes from a nightmare into a sweeter nightmare; his lover swallows “creepy things.” In one performance clip, when Donelly takes center stage on the latter half of the song, she could lull Glastonbury to sleep.


Record Mirror, 1988

And “Angel” was the hookiest song Donelly had cut since the Muses’ demo days. Trim some guitar tracks, punch up the chorus a bit more, and it sounds like a radio-ready “alternative rock” hit from the early Nineties. Though Hersh once said she had “songs the Bangles would die for” but chose not to record them, it was increasingly clear that Donelly would be the one who would deliver them.

Tanya touring the Real Ramona album The Leadmill, Sheffield March 1991

At the Leadmill, Sheffield, March 1991 (Greg Neate)

So when Donelly turned up with an album’s worth of compositions, it brought home that Throwing Muses was Hersh’s band, it had always been, and it always would be. Hersh was blunt in 1994: “I had tunnel vision when it came to the band—it is my child and my life.” (There’s a wonderful video of her singing “Finished” alone in a record store in Utrecht during the 1991 tour—it’s as if she carries the entire group within her.)

If Donelly wanted to be an equal songwriter, she’d have to leave. And she did [see Quartet 2(c)]. Many bands break friendships; she broke with a band to save hers.


The Real Ramona, recorded in Los Angeles in summer 1990 and released the following winter, is the end of the quartet Muses. Hersh hasn’t been kind to it, citing battles with Warners (“trying to break up my band, telling me we needed Eighties drum sounds, even though this was the Nineties!”) and its “evil producer,” Dennis Herring.

It’s the most produced Muses record, making Gil Norton look like Steve Albini by comparison. Given that Hersh once called the recording process “a big lie…you rip the song apart little by little and pretend you’re all in the same room together,” it’s obvious why the album, recorded in pieces, with Donelly and Hersh often working at different times, has little appeal for her. (Also, making it was a grueling experience: in 2013, Hersh said she’d been in pain from a root canal she couldn’t afford to finish, medicating with painkillers, “beer and cheap champagne,” and blanking out after doing takes.)

“There were parts of the recording that brought their own tension and that’s what I remember,” Narcizo recalled to the Quietus in 2011. “There was abrasiveness with the producer. Kristin may not agree with me, but I think he did a really great job and worked really hard. But of all our records it had the most treated sound, which—as she has demonstrated over the years—Kristin has never been a fan of. She felt she lost control of the reins on that record.”


Herring was the first producer who’d paid close attention to their guitar tracks, so Hersh and Donelly’s work never sounded more intricate (both had shifted to Les Pauls, after playing Strats in the late Eighties)—on earlier albums their lines were a ball of strings. You can easily follow every strand in the interwoven guitars (hummingbird-fast descending three-note lead figure/ chunky rhythm line) of “Counting Backwards.

There’s also greater dynamics than on previous Muses albums, previewing their “power trio” records of the mid-Nineties. In Abong, a former drummer, the band had a punchier, less improvisatory bassist, while Narcizo got the full gated drum treatment. Cut in large rooms miked in every corner, “we got every nuance of the real sound and didn’t have to screw around with it from the board,” Hersh said at the time. If House Tornado sounded like a band playing in a corner of a gym, Ramona “happens around you. You’re right in the middle of the gym.”


Hersh was writing terser compositions, devoting more room to space; letting her melodies stand out against less frantic accompaniment (see “Graffiti” in particular). Side A comes off as a parallel sequence to the same side on Bowie’s Low—both have seven tracks, mostly of high-strung pop; some tracks appear severed midway through (see the seventy second “Him Dancing”); both have an instrumental closer: here, “Dylan” (a homage to Hersh’s son, not Zimmerman).

But where Low is isolation and removal, Ramona is someone reviving in the midst of a hard winter. Hersh had met Billy O’Connell, the Muses’ new manager and her soon-to-be husband, and there’s a feeling of relief in her performances here, that she’s finally met someone who can match her, from “Counting Backwards,” referring to a technique O’Connell had suggested for her to use in panic attacks, to the Bo Diddley shag-beat of “Golden Thing” (“when you get there better kiss me!“).

Muses at the Mayfair, Glasgow, March 1991 (Greg Neate)

Hersh had been working on “Hook in Her Head” for years. The idea came, she told Melody Maker, when

I read about this woman who believed she had a hook in her head that her husband used to use to drag her around. Now, he thought she was crazy but that was her perception, and our perception is our reality. That woman perceived a hook in her head, so she really had one. You have to go with the assumption that there’s a hook inside her head that needs to be treated, and I feel our songs are like that, they need to be treated, they call for themselves to be seen in their own peculiar light.

It’s all in the way she sings “literally” in the refrains—with this acute precision. The longest track on the record, “Hook in Her Head” develops into a great, grumbling noise, set midway through the album sequence like a boulder dropped upon a freeway. When “Not Too Soon” bursts in after it, it’s as if another band has cut into the frequency.

And “Ellen West.” Hersh, throughout her performing life, has been open about her mental illness and has used it as an element in her songwriting (see “Mania“). This has led to criticisms of rather incredible callousness, even cruelty, and has made her an object of obsession for some fans. “Lately I’ve come to hate myself—that image of me obsessed with poetry and suicide—as much as people who hate this band hate me,” she said in 1991. She was likened to Sylvia Plath: another likely doomed New England poet.

A slow Narcizo opening figure. That last one messed me up. Things look bad, she starts. Things look tragic. But there’s a trace of humor in how she sings these lines; there’s a strut in them. “Courting Ellen West…dancing on her grave,” Hersh sings. “Saving Ellen West.” West was a patient of Ludwig Binswager’s in the early 20th Century. She likely had anorexia nervosa, depression, possibly schizophrenia, and killed herself at thirty-three. Ellen West the woman would be erased by West the case study, symbol, martyr.

At the hinge point of the song—my mouth is full of demons, I SWEAR TA GOOOODDD—Hersh lifts the song off the ground with her voice, while Donelly loops around her. Not despair, not even rage, as much as it’s an absolute will to live, to flourish, to channel a power through her and out of her. I need to go to bed, I need to go to sleep. But she won’t, not yet. The songs won’t let her be. She’ll be heard through her art, not as whatever person you imagine she is. It ends with guitars.

Two Step


Twelve strings goodbye, Guitarist, May 1991 (James Cumpsty)

I’ll never stop walking away

“Two Step,” the last track on The Real Ramona, “was a real goodbye song,” Donelly told Milano. “It makes me cry to this day. It was written by the whole band together in one room.”

The Muses learned songs by standing in a circle around Narcizo’s drums, watching each other as they played, Donelly seeing where Hersh was fretting, Langston checking Narcizo for tempo changes, Narcizo locking into Donelly’s riffs. “Things would begin with me and Dave,” Hersh recalled to Guitarist in 1991. “And Tanya and Leslie would have to fill in the spaces, so there was a lot going on. Each measure was contested, note for note, between me and Tanya.”

It was how they knew where each of them would be in their songs—they had built them by sight.


“Two Step” started with Narcizo and Abong playing a riff, Donelly working her away into it (she cringed to an interviewer that, yes, Throwing Muses was jamming for once). Hersh had a song in her head that she hadn’t figured out on guitar. “Fred was playing this line in F, so I thought, ‘let’s make it in F!’ And then we all started playing seriously, and it still sounds the way it did then.” They had the ending early on—the song would fade while reverb was pushed up in the mix. The last quartet Muses album floats away.

In spring 1991, they went on their final tour. Donelly described it as being bittersweet but not sour—in their end was a lightness. It’s in “Two Step” as well: loss, a kind wistfulness. Its few lines are the history of a band. Two step, behind the rest. One fingertip too long. There’s another box, another hole to fill in. The future won’t be theirs together, but there will be one.

The Long Yay

1508055897_77e9cc2e6c_oHalf-Muse reunion at the Brattle, Cambridge, MA, 6 October 2007 (bradalmanac)

In 1992, Throwing Muses was a duo (Abong had left with Donelly). “Dave and I were the ones who’d always seemed to care the most,” Hersh recalled to Uncut. She thought about quitting (she’d given birth to another child soon after the 1991 tour) but “the songs didn’t give a shit. And they kept coming.” After making Red Heaven, she and Narcizo added the last Muses bassist—Bernard Georges, who had been one of their roadies (the Muses kept things in-house).

The “trio of strength” Muses, which cut University and Limbo and toured in the mid-Nineties, refined the aesthetic of The Real Ramona. “The luxury of dynamics you can only get in a trio,” she said. “When you have two guitarists playing, all you can really make is a wall of sound—and if you back off that for a minute, it always sounds like there’s something missing.”

She said it was the band’s best incarnation, though with greater strength the trio Muses lost some nuance and unpredictability—Narcizo sat on the backbeat and took up cymbals with a vengeance (University sounds sponsored by Zildjian); Hersh got seriously into pedals—the Wah-Wah all over University is still a bit wild to hear.

They broke up in spring 1997. Leaving Sire/Warner at last, they wound up on Ryko when that label was heading into its last years. Limbo sold 19,000 copies; there wasn’t enough tour support for a full band. “We can’t afford to go on,” Hersh told the LA Times. “It’s heartbreaking for me. This [past] year just killed us.”


Muses at KEXP, 25 February 2014

I point out to Hersh that twenty-seven years is true longevity. “It’s also poverty,” she says. “If you’re never in, you’re never out. We never made much of a living but we’re still here. We were happy over the past decade to play for each other and the sky and whoever else showed up, because that’s what music really is. You can’t count the number of people paying attention.”

Hersh to Peter Terzian, December 2013

Today, Narcizo runs a design studio, Georges works in bicycle shops as a technician, Abong is a Vedic astrologer (Langston, long-retired from music, is a counselor). Donelly was a postpartum doula for a time. Hersh has been a working writer and musician for over thirty-five years, and the mother of four. Once in a while, they still do Throwing Muses.

They tour, in various combinations (Abong played with Hersh this summer; the Hersh-Narcizo-Georges Muses has festival dates in late August). Sometimes Donelly makes them a quartet for a night. Releasing albums at a craftsman’s pace (2013’s Purgatory/Paradise took roughly five years to write and record), they’ve become an artists’ collective, making books, CDs, videos, illustrations. They’ve retreated to Newport (and New Orleans, where Hersh lives part of the time). “We live on this dome-island,” she told Guitar World. Their music “is just a keyhole into what we do in a big barn.”


Quartet Muses at the Aladdin Theater, Portland OR, 31 May 2014

We were too weird for the straights and too straight for the weirds.

Tanya Donelly

In 2001, Uncut asked Hersh what Throwing Muses’ legacy would be. “We’re in that list of bands with integrity now, I think. Even when we made mistakes, we didn’t do it out of greed, we were just young.”

That Throwing Muses never made it out of the semi-popular circle, that they’re forgotten in retrospectives today, that Hersh and Donelly aren’t often mentioned in “great rock songwriters” discussions, that many Muses records are out of print and aren’t streaming (in the US, at least): it’s a shame. But it’s a triumph the Muses went as far as they did.

I told my friend I was writing about them. She grew up in Mississippi, and said hearing Throwing Muses as a teenager told her that there was something else in the world, that they gave her the way out. I’m sure she wasn’t alone. The Muses made sure you weren’t. “For me, good music still just makes me feel like YAY!” Hersh once said. Sing on, you muses of the Island.